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The other World Series that Houston played in was forgotten, why not this one?

HOUSTON – Pitchers and coaches from both the Dodgers and Astros complained Saturday night about the World Series baseballs—and this time the controversy is not just about liveliness. They say there is a new problem: the baseballs used in the World Series are slicker than the ones used in the regular season because of a difference in the grain of the leather. The slicker World Series balls particularly make it hard to throw a good slider, they claim.

They've been saying all year the balls are juiced.

Haven’t the rest of the playoffs been pretty low scoring, on average? Seems that the conditions last night, coupled with pitching fatigue, created a perfect storm.

KDdidit wrote:

They've been saying all year the balls are juiced.

I think the issue is the laces. That's what the pitchers seem to be suggesting. They can't get the same grip to throw their breaking pitches. A lot of guys this season have complained of blisters that they never had gotten in the past.

Haven’t the rest of the playoffs been pretty low scoring, on average? Seems that the conditions last night, coupled with pitching fatigue, created a perfect storm.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

KDdidit wrote:

They've been saying all year the balls are juiced.

Pedro showed on TBS how he used to hold his slider. When he played, there was room between his middle finger and the laces. With this year's balls he's on the lace.

Not sure why they keep doing this.

Maybe his fingers got fatter.

leashyourkids wrote:

Haven’t the rest of the playoffs been pretty low scoring, on average? Seems that the conditions last night, coupled with pitching fatigue, created a perfect storm.

Well you can thank the shitty Cubs hitting for that.

The balls in that article do look a lot smoother.

denisdman wrote:

The balls in that article do look a lot smoother.

lol

they've clearly changed the baseballs.

This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me.

City of Fools wrote:

they've clearly changed the baseballs.

This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me.

Very entertaining. Two of the greatest games ever have been played in this Series. Last night was an off charts roller coaster ride.

My favorite moment was Springer redeeming himself with that first pitch lead off shot after messing up the play in center. The Astros players react to positive plays like a group of little leaguers with raw excitement. It's refreshing. Joc and Keyke have been that way too for the Dodgers.

I had heard the laces were an issue earlier in the year. The launch angles seemed to be the predominant story.

It is aggravating because baseball is a game built on its history and comparability of eras. That is why the steroid stuff was so frustrating. I also hate the high strikeout and bullpen specialist crap that has creeped into the game.

Oh well, last night was the best game I have ever seen despite all the poor pitching and the length of the game. Just so much emotion. I will watch regardless because I love the game more than anything else.

denisdman wrote:

City of Fools wrote:

they've clearly changed the baseballs.

This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me.

Most teams do now, even the Yankees. You can thank the World Baseball Classic for that.

denisdman wrote:

ALSO- perhaps the bullpen revolution isn't such a great idea. These guys all suck.

Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:19 am ]
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Just like MANY ignore Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Sosa, Frank Thomas, etc... because they were juicing, it's only fair to do the same for this series because of the juiced/shiny baseballs. If I'm ever stranded in Cooperstown and have no place better to go than the HoF, I better not see any references to the 2017 series. Thank you.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:05 am ]
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Yep . Bullpens are shit, “best” ’ starters can barely go 5 anymore . Catfish Hunter is spinning in his grave .

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:12 am ]
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The other World Series that Houston played in was forgotten, why not this one?

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:16 am ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote: The other World Series that Houston played in was forgotten, why not this one? They only got to play in 4 games. Ass.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:22 am ]
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Is that the story- the balls are juiced this year? I ask sincerely. I thought it was launch angles.

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Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:26 am ]
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They've been saying all year the balls are juiced. The World Series baseballs also being fucked up is a recent story. https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/10/29/world ... ley-jansen Quote: HOUSTON – Pitchers and coaches from both the Dodgers and Astros complained Saturday night about the World Series baseballs—and this time the controversy is not just about liveliness. They say there is a new problem: the baseballs used in the World Series are slicker than the ones used in the regular season because of a difference in the grain of the leather. The slicker World Series balls particularly make it hard to throw a good slider, they claim.

Author:	Rod [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:28 am ]
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KDdidit wrote: They've been saying all year the balls are juiced. I think the issue is the laces. That's what the pitchers seem to be suggesting. They can't get the same grip to throw their breaking pitches. A lot of guys this season have complained of blisters that they never had gotten in the past.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:30 am ]
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I had heard the laces were an issue earlier in the year. The launch angles seemed to be the predominant story. It is aggravating because baseball is a game built on its history and comparability of eras. That is why the steroid stuff was so frustrating. I also hate the high strikeout and bullpen specialist crap that has creeped into the game. Oh well, last night was the best game I have ever seen despite all the poor pitching and the length of the game. Just so much emotion. I will watch regardless because I love the game more than anything else.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:31 am ]
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Haven’t the rest of the playoffs been pretty low scoring, on average? Seems that the conditions last night, coupled with pitching fatigue, created a perfect storm.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:32 am ]
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The balls in that article do look a lot smoother. Why would you change the balls at this point?

Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:33 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote: Haven’t the rest of the playoffs been pretty low scoring, on average? Seems that the conditions last night, coupled with pitching fatigue, created a perfect storm. Well you can thank the shitty Cubs hitting for that.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:45 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: KDdidit wrote: They've been saying all year the balls are juiced. I think the issue is the laces. That's what the pitchers seem to be suggesting. They can't get the same grip to throw their breaking pitches. A lot of guys this season have complained of blisters that they never had gotten in the past. Pedro showed on TBS how he used to hold his slider. When he played, there was room between his middle finger and the laces. With this year's balls he's on the lace. Not sure why they keep doing this.

Author:	Rod [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:48 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: KDdidit wrote: They've been saying all year the balls are juiced. I think the issue is the laces. That's what the pitchers seem to be suggesting. They can't get the same grip to throw their breaking pitches. A lot of guys this season have complained of blisters that they never had gotten in the past. Pedro showed on TBS how he used to hold his slider. When he played, there was room between his middle finger and the laces. With this year's balls he's on the lace. Not sure why they keep doing this. Chicks dig the longball.

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:50 am ]
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Maybe his fingers got fatter.

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:09 pm ]
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I believe MLB has a range of tolerances when it comes to baseball manufacturing (i.e., a minimum and maximum diameter, weight, seam height, etc.), so they are able to request balls be made toward one end of the extreme or the other and still be able to claim that the balls are still "within the specification" -- which makes it sound like they haven't changed even if they have.

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Author:	Hockey Gay [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:12 pm ]
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denisdman wrote: The balls in that article do look a lot smoother. lol

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:15 pm ]
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Hockey Gay wrote: denisdman wrote: The balls in that article do look a lot smoother. lol Hahaha. Yeah, out of context, that is bad. Keep that kind of stuff out of the Kevin Spacey threads.

Author:	City of Fools [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:19 pm ]
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they've clearly changed the baseballs. This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:22 pm ]
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City of Fools wrote: they've clearly changed the baseballs. This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me. Very entertaining. Two of the greatest games ever have been played in this Series. Last night was an off charts roller coaster ride. My favorite moment was Springer redeeming himself with that first pitch lead off shot after messing up the play in center. The Astros players react to positive plays like a group of little leaguers with raw excitement. It's refreshing. Joc and Keyke have been that way too for the Dodgers. Note: The real way to spell Keyke comes up nut.

Author:	Big Chicagoan [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:26 pm ]
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denisdman wrote: I had heard the laces were an issue earlier in the year. The launch angles seemed to be the predominant story. It is aggravating because baseball is a game built on its history and comparability of eras. That is why the steroid stuff was so frustrating. I also hate the high strikeout and bullpen specialist crap that has creeped into the game. Oh well, last night was the best game I have ever seen despite all the poor pitching and the length of the game. Just so much emotion. I will watch regardless because I love the game more than anything else.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:27 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: denisdman wrote: City of Fools wrote: they've clearly changed the baseballs. This is my 2nd favorite WS ever, and it's only 2nd to last year because #2016. This WS has been more entertaining than last year for me. Very entertaining. Two of the greatest games ever have been played in this Series. Last night was an off charts roller coaster ride. My favorite moment was Springer redeeming himself with that first pitch lead off shot after messing up the play in center. The Astros players react to positive plays like a group of little leaguers with raw excitement. It's refreshing. Joc and Keyke have been that way too for the Dodgers. Most teams do now, even the Yankees. You can thank the World Baseball Classic for that. Thank you WBC and Javy Baez for that beautiful display of raw emotion.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:29 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote: denisdman wrote: I had heard the laces were an issue earlier in the year. The launch angles seemed to be the predominant story. It is aggravating because baseball is a game built on its history and comparability of eras. That is why the steroid stuff was so frustrating. I also hate the high strikeout and bullpen specialist crap that has creeped into the game. Oh well, last night was the best game I have ever seen despite all the poor pitching and the length of the game. Just so much emotion. I will watch regardless because I love the game more than anything else. So many great baseball quotes in that movie. "just a bit outside." That movie came out when I was in high school, and the baseball players had a Jobu display in the locker room.

Author:	America [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:52 pm ]
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Isn't this pretty easily verifiable? Baseballs wind up in the stands every game. What is stopping someone from getting a ball from today and comparing to one from just a couple years ago? I doubt the juiced ball theory. I think it's the players just swinging for the fences. The slicker world series balls are interesting though. That I could believe but I doubt the MLB is nefariously trying to strip pitchers of their breaking balls. ALSO- perhaps the bullpen revolution isn't such a great idea. These guys all suck.