Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total.
Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on.
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Interesting: https://www.mlb.com/news/each-mlb-teams ... -295642832 Cubs: Maddux Sox: Cicotte Rangers: Fergie |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Quote: Nationals: 2017 Max Scherzer 16-6, 2.51 ERA, 268 K We're -- controversially! -- ignoring the Expos and sticking with the Nats here. It's possible this year has, in fact, been better. If you do include the Expos, as you should, I don't know how you don't go with 1997 Pedro Martinez (17-8, 1.90 ERA, 305 K). I'll bet Pedro worked way harder for those strikeouts than Scherzer ever did. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Arrieta's 2015 season is tops over Maddux in 1992 for the Cubs. Love seeing Pedro over Clemens for Boston. Pedro in his prime was incredible. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
DAC wrote: Arrieta's 2015 season is tops over Maddux in 1992 for the Cubs. Totally agree...there’s not even an argument for Maddux, is there? |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Arrieta 2015: 22-6, 1.77 ERA, 33 GS, 4CG, 3 Shutouts, 229 IP, 10 HR, 236 K, 215 ERA+, 2.35 FIP, 0.865 WHIP, 4.92 K/BB Maddux 1992: 20-11, 2.18 ERA, 35 GS, 9CG, 4 Shutouts, 268 IP, 7 HR, 199 K, 166 ERA+, 2.58 FIP, 1.011 WHIP, 2.84 K/BB Yeah, I'll go ahead and say Arrieta. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
IMU wrote: Arrieta 2015: 22-6, 1.77 ERA, 33 GS, 4CG, 3 Shutouts, 229 IP, 10 HR, 236 K, 215 ERA+, 2.35 FIP, 0.865 WHIP, 4.92 K/BB Maddux 1992: 20-11, 2.18 ERA, 35 GS, 9CG, 4 Shutouts, 268 IP, 7 HR, 199 K, 166 ERA+, 2.58 FIP, 1.011 WHIP, 2.84 K/BB Yeah, I'll go ahead and say Arrieta. Arrieta had better PEDs. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:08 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: IMU wrote: Arrieta 2015: 22-6, 1.77 ERA, 33 GS, 4CG, 3 Shutouts, 229 IP, 10 HR, 236 K, 215 ERA+, 2.35 FIP, 0.865 WHIP, 4.92 K/BB Maddux 1992: 20-11, 2.18 ERA, 35 GS, 9CG, 4 Shutouts, 268 IP, 7 HR, 199 K, 166 ERA+, 2.58 FIP, 1.011 WHIP, 2.84 K/BB Yeah, I'll go ahead and say Arrieta. Arrieta had better PEDs. The lists inclusions deem PEDs allowable. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
As for the Sox, I gotta believe there was a more dominant season for a pitcher than that of Eddie Cicotte, and that he was only included to argue that Charles Comiskey made throwing the series Actually Good. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Completely different era for Pitchers. Cicotte and Ted Lyons put up some monster years. For the five man rotation era, perhaps the best run Chicago has seen was Jose Contreras from July '05 thru July '06. He was probably 42 years old when he went nearly one calendar year between losses. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Completely different era for Pitchers. Cicotte and Ted Lyons put up some monster years. For the five man rotation era, perhaps the most dominant run Chicago has seen was Jose Contreras from July '05 thru July '06. He was probably 42 years old when he went nearly one calendar year between losses. 2nd best to Arrieta's run in the 2nd half of 2015 That list was just thrown together. Lots of dumb shit there. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
I just thought it was ironic how the Cubs greatest SP has his best single season the year after the Cubs traded him for Madlock. I guess lost in the shuffle is Sutcliffes 1984 season for the Cubs:16-1,because it was a partial. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Sutcliffe was like Hamels...horrid with his old team before getting traded to the Cubs. |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:59 am ] |
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So they use the modern era excuse as a reason to go with Maddux, but pick Cicotte? |
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| Author: | DAC [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
IMU wrote: Arrieta 2015: 22-6 Maddux 1992: 20-11 Yeah, I'll go ahead and say Arrieta. According to some great baseball minds, this is as far as you need to go. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
jimmypasta wrote: I just thought it was ironic how the Cubs greatest SP has his best single season the year after the Cubs traded him for Madlock. I guess lost in the shuffle is Sutcliffes 1984 season for the Cubs:16-1,because it was a partial. Probably worked against Verlander & the Big Unit in Houston as well. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total. Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on.
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Regular Reader wrote: jimmypasta wrote: I just thought it was ironic how the Cubs greatest SP has his best single season the year after the Cubs traded him for Madlock. I guess lost in the shuffle is Sutcliffes 1984 season for the Cubs:16-1,because it was a partial. Probably worked against Verlander & the Big Unit in Houston as well. Sabathia in Milwaukee, too. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Regular Reader wrote: Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total. Steve Carlton has a .540 win pct over 700 career starts.
Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total. Steve Carlton has a .540 win pct over 700 career starts.Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on. How close to .500 counts as good? at what point are they "a .500 pitcher" Is .507 a wining pitcher? .525? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
I think 85 games over-- 329-244 -- is pretty damn good. Now he started 709 games, but appeared in about 30 more so not all of those W-L may have come as a starter. But the fact is that Carlton has a stellar career W-L record. Jacob DeGrom has a pretty good W-L record so far as well. Jose Quintana does not. |
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| Author: | SteveSarley [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
1971, Vida Blue's first year as a starter was damned impressive. 24 - 8, 1.82 ERA, 312 IP, 301 K's, MVP and Cy Young. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total. Steve Carlton has a .540 win pct over 700 career starts.Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on. How close to .500 counts as good? at what point are they "a .500 pitcher" Is .507 a wining pitcher? .525? Starting qualifier aside, he had a .574 winning percentage and with a 16-37 record after 85, for a guy who pitched quite a bit in the sixties. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I think 85 games over-- 329-244 -- is pretty damn good. Now he started 709 games, but appeared in about 30 more so not all of those W-L may have come as a starter. But the fact is that Carlton has a stellar career W-L record. Jacob DeGrom has a pretty good W-L record so far as well. Jose Quintana does not. Im just asking what the number is. You frequently answer on this topic with "He has a career ___ winning pct" Where the line for good? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Regular Reader wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Just want to toss out some love for Steve Carlton's first(?) season with the Phils were he won 50+% of the games for a team that won less than 60 total. Steve Carlton has a .540 win pct over 700 career starts.Something for JORR to hang his biking hat on. How close to .500 counts as good? at what point are they "a .500 pitcher" Is .507 a wining pitcher? .525? Starting qualifier aside, he had a .574 winning percentage and with a 16-37 record after 85, for a guy who pitched quite a bit in the sixties. Carlton is one of the greatest LH starters of all time. I just want to know what level is for the WinningPct Cultists. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MLB's All-Time single season Ace SP |
Wow,this was something because it was modern era: Tigers: 1968 Denny McLain 31-6, 1.96 ERA Advanced stats would argue this wasn't even McLain's best year, and there are some great Justin Verlander seasons not here, as well as the great 1976 Mark Fidrych year … but 31 wins are 31 wins. I have to mention one of my favorite Sox players,Wilbur Wood. The guy put up some monster seasons in the '70's with yeomen worked IP,BF,etc. Also,won 20 games 4 years in a row. |
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| Author: | SteveSarley [ Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:26 pm ] |
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Wins don't count for anything! Fake stat! Fake stat! |
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