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Ken Rosenthal’s latest report in The Athletic details recent negotiations between MLB and the MLBPA and shares proposals from both sides to improve the state of baseball. The biggest rule change the league has proposed is requiring a pitcher to face a minimum of three batters. So, that basically means if the rule is adopted then you can say goodbye to the left-handed specialist coming out of the bullpen to just face one tough left-handed batter.

The players association responded with its own set of proposals and having the DH in the National League is part of it.
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As part of a Jan. 14 proposal to the players’ union on pace of play, baseball suggested a rule requiring pitchers to face a minimum of three batters, sources told The Athletic.
The Major League Baseball Players Association responded last Friday with its own comprehensive proposal that addressed the players’ concerns on competitive integrity and service-time manipulation in multifaceted fashion, sources said. A lowering of a team’s draft position for failing to reach a specified win total in a certain number of seasons is believed to be part of the union’s plan.
A universal designated hitter — something the players have sought for more than three decades, according to commissioner Rob Manfred — also was part of the union’s proposal. Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season.

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Ken Rosenthal’s latest report in The Athletic details recent negotiations between MLB and the MLBPA and shares proposals from both sides to improve the state of baseball. The biggest rule change the league has proposed is requiring a pitcher to face a minimum of three batters. So, that basically means if the rule is adopted then you can say goodbye to the left-handed specialist coming out of the bullpen to just face one tough left-handed batter.

The players association responded with its own set of proposals and having the DH in the National League is part of it.
Via The Athletic:

As part of a Jan. 14 proposal to the players’ union on pace of play, baseball suggested a rule requiring pitchers to face a minimum of three batters, sources told The Athletic.
The Major League Baseball Players Association responded last Friday with its own comprehensive proposal that addressed the players’ concerns on competitive integrity and service-time manipulation in multifaceted fashion, sources said. A lowering of a team’s draft position for failing to reach a specified win total in a certain number of seasons is believed to be part of the union’s plan.
A universal designated hitter — something the players have sought for more than three decades, according to commissioner Rob Manfred — also was part of the union’s proposal. Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season.


Like the DH and 3 batter rule. Lowering the draft position is interesting...

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So they are willing to get rid of one type of player to open a spot for another (DH)?

I like the rules the way they are. A three batter minimum is silly.


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So they are willing to get rid of one type of player to open a spot for another (DH)?

I like the rules the way they are. A three batter minimum is silly.



How only one pitching change per inning unless its for an injury?

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So they are willing to get rid of one type of player to open a spot for another (DH)?

I like the rules the way they are. A three batter minimum is silly.



How only one pitching change per inning unless its for an injury?

Yeah....I'd rather they cut a roster spot (which will never happen) than start with these weird rules, but I get sick of reliever carousel, too.


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No way they pass the 3 batter minimum. That's fucking absurd


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The 3 batter rule blows, hope that is never allowed to pass. Whoever thought it up needs to be publicly caned.

You wanna speed up the game, no more stepping out of the batters box every pitch, use a pitch clock, get automatic strike zones.

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The 3 batter rule blows, hope that is never allowed to pass. Whoever thought it up needs to be publicly caned.

You wanna speed up the game, no more stepping out of the batters box every pitch, use a pitch clock, get automatic strike zones.


I would allow a step out after a foul. I still like the 3 balls, 2 strikes change.

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If they are going to lower draft positioning, then there needs to be a cap and floor on money spent.


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Three batters is stupid.

1. Only two pitchers in an inning may face only one batter. The rest have to face at least two.

2. Every time you get optioned, the number of days it takes before you can get recalled goes up by 3. 10, 13, 16, etc. And you can't cut it short for a DL fill until the number of games left is 9 or less.

3. The option days left does not get erased at the end of a minor league season, it gets halved rounding down.

4. DH in both leagues. As much as I hate the DH, you cant have this much interleague play without it.

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so if you require the pitcher to face three batters do you restrict the hitting team from using pinch hitters?

how about instead of a min. batter rule...

-- all pitching changes made after the start of an inning... the new pitcher rides the cart to the mound, gets 30 seconds and then resume the game.


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Cut on the mound warm up pitches from 9 to 3


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Or have batters start actually trying to get hits instead of looking for walks.

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The answer to speeding up the game and getting rid of all the walks/strikeouts is to call the strikezone by the book, i.e. call the letter high strike. This would force the batters to swing the bat rather than just going up to take pitches.

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I’d love to see the high strike. Unfortunately it will increase the already high strikeout total. Hopefully it would lead to hitters actually trying to put the ball in play earlier in the count.

I hate The DH. I hate reliever carousel, but the three hitter minimum is dumb. Pitch clock is a must. No warm up pitches too.

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The answer to speeding up the game and getting rid of all the walks/strikeouts is to call the strikezone by the book, i.e. call the letter high strike. This would force the batters to swing the bat rather than just going up to take pitches.


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Or have batters start actually trying to get hits instead of looking for walks.

Do you want them to do what is most likely to produce a win or what is more likely to entertain?

Not making outs is how you win. I know it's boring and goes against what we grew up watching, but its true.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Or have batters start actually trying to get hits instead of looking for walks.

Do you want them to do what is most likely to produce a win or what is more likely to entertain?

Not making outs is how you win. I know it's boring and goes against what we grew up watching, but its true.



I want the people in charge to make the rules so that trying to win creates a game that is entertaining. And doing things that aren't entertaining is punished. I think that's probably the best way to keep the game popular, not lose fans, and end the conversations about baseball being "boring".

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Then teams should get a run whenever a batter's wife flashes her tits behind home plate.

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I’d love to see the high strike. Unfortunately it will increase the already high strikeout total. Hopefully it would lead to hitters actually trying to put the ball in play earlier in the count.


I don't think it would increase strikeout totals because I believe it would do exactly what you hope for in that last sentence.

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Then teams should get a run whenever a batter's wife flashes her tits behind home plate.



Not a bad rule change.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Or have batters start actually trying to get hits instead of looking for walks.

Do you want them to do what is most likely to produce a win or what is more likely to entertain?

Not making outs is how you win. I know it's boring and goes against what we grew up watching, but its true.



I want the people in charge to make the rules so that trying to win creates a game that is entertaining. And doing things that aren't entertaining is punished. I think that's probably the best way to keep the game popular, not lose fans, and end the conversations about baseball being "boring".

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Split screen commercials. No reason to have so long between innings.

Also, punish stalling of any kind.


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Also, punish stalling of any kind.


Well, I'm kind of torn on this one. Because I think it depends on what we consider stalling. I know you're a serious fan and you appreciate the finer points of the game. But the casual fan- and casual fans are the lifeblood of any sport- may not care about such things.

For example, the entire game of baseball is timing. There is an elaborate dance between the batter and the pitcher during every plate appearance. My wife compared it to sumo wrestling. Stepping off the rubber, asking the umpire for time just as the pitcher begins to wind, stepping out of the box, holding the ball for what seems like an interminable amount of time. These are all things that might be considered "stalling". In fact, I'm certain the casual observer considers them pointless and tedious. But they are at the heart of the game.

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I lean toward switching to an electronic strike zone, but I think umpires do make an effort to make the game more entertaining (by calling a close 3-0 pitch a strike and a close 0-2 pitch a ball) as well as expanding the zone late in games that are not close. I think an electronic zone could have some undesirable effects, though probably minor.

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As much as I hate the overuse of bullpens and LH specialists, there is no way to legislate this without compromising the game. Besides....the league loves for the sake of advertising dollars.

I don't want the DH in the National League, but I know it's inevitable.

JORR is right. enforce a real strike zone. I used to be against the automated balls / strikes, but have come around...too much variance. I'd fully support it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Also, punish stalling of any kind.


Well, I'm kind of torn on this one. Because I think it depends on what we consider stalling. I know you're a serious fan and you appreciate the finer points of the game. But the casual fan- and casual fans are the lifeblood of any sport- may not care about such things.

For example, the entire game of baseball is timing. There is an elaborate dance between the batter and the pitcher during every plate appearance. My wife compared it to sumo wrestling. Stepping off the rubber, asking the umpire for time just as the pitcher begins to wind, stepping out of the box, holding the ball for what seems like an interminable amount of time. These are all things that might be considered "stalling". In fact, I'm certain the casual observer considers them pointless and tedious. But they are at the heart of the game.

I was thinking about managers taking the long stroll to the mound or the stupid thing where the ump has to walk out to break up their meeting instead of just yelling out "wrap it up"


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To me the strike zone should be larger but more importantly it HAS to be more consistent. I don't care one way or another about electronic means but this Ump to Ump to Ump stuff is done for me.

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Pitch starters more than 4ip, and maybe we could speed this up. I am tired of seeing 5-6 RPs used in a game.


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To me the strike zone should be larger but more importantly it HAS to be more consistent. I don't care one way or another about electronic means but this Ump to Ump to Ump stuff is done for me.



The electronic strikezone is coming. But it's like the self-driving car. It's not quite here just yet. I think one of the problems is that every batter is not the same size.

The worst take in baseball is the idea that shifts should be made illegal because they are "unfair" to left-handed sluggers, which of course, they are. But the left-handed hitter has so many advantages that complaints about one disadvantage ring somewhat hollow.

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