I give a shit about the HOF ever since they ruled Rose out. Talk about hypocrites. Like baseball is somehow sanctimonious. What a joke. They've got some bad people in the HOFs in all sports.
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:34 pm ] |
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One person left Jeter off the ballot . |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:00 pm ] |
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Good for Larry. Jeter was going to need comic relief for his naturnatural induction. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:09 pm ] |
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If Jeter was an outfielder, no. Walker did a lot of his most productive hitting in Denver. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
badrogue17 wrote: One person left Jeter off the ballot . It's the price he pays for the undeserved gold gloves. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:18 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: badrogue17 wrote: One person left Jeter off the ballot . It's the price he pays for the undeserved gold gloves. He probably nailed the daughter of the baseball writer and ran out of gift bags . |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:08 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: KDdidit wrote: badrogue17 wrote: One person left Jeter off the ballot . It's the price he pays for the undeserved gold gloves. He probably nailed the son of the baseball writer and ran out of condoms. FTFY |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
Its amazing how many idiots on Twitter are arguing that he shouldn't be a hall of famer because he didn't have the defensive metrics to support it. Jeter was a playoff legend and should have been unanimous. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:30 pm ] |
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Far superior players weren't unanimous, it doesn't bother me one bit that Jeter wasn't. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:34 pm ] |
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I was surprised to see that Walker had a higher OPS+ (adjusted for park factors) than both ARod and Griffey Jr. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:35 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Far superior players weren't unanimous, it doesn't bother me one bit that Jeter wasn't. That Rivera is the only unanimous guy is offensive. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:15 pm ] |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ll_of_Fame Rickey Henderson 94.81% Sandy Koufax 86.87% Jackie Robinson 77.5% Mickey Mantle 88.22% Roberto Clemente 92.69% Joe DiMaggio 88.84% Bob Gibson 84.04% the actual Cy Young himself 76.12% Hank Aaron is at 97.83% which could be far more egregious, all things considered, but still, that's like two or three people who thought Hank Aaron didn't belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
This shit is weak. Anyone who says “he’s a HOFer but not a 1st ballot guy” is a total fucking idiot |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:20 pm ] |
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Yeah, you either are or you aren't. Why did Mike Mussina have to wait so long? What did we need to figure out that we didn't know already? |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:32 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Yeah, you either are or you aren't. Why did Mike Mussina have to wait so long? What did we need to figure out that we didn't know already? NO ONE agrees with the bullshit unwritten rule that no one should be a first ballot unanimous selection outside of the actual baseball writers themselves. Its a simple binary decision. Almost every one of those names you listed should have been 100%. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:17 pm ] |
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Baseball’s oddities, while frustrating, are part of what makes it great and worthy of endless debates. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:54 pm ] |
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After 10 years, it was determined Larry Walker is indeed a Hall of Famer. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:10 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: This shit is weak. Anyone who says “he’s a HOFer but not a 1st ballot guy” is a total fucking idiot to me, if it wasn't obvious you should be in when your name is brought up, you shouldn't be in however there is nothing more mind numbing to me than hall of fame talk. who cares either way. I will be going to cooperstown in july dispshits like Bernstein have now taken to the extreme of considering Jeter a BAD defender, which he most certainly was not. This is particularly offensive because Dan saw him and knows better. He just enjoys being in the iconoclast group |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:26 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: This shit is weak. Anyone who says “he’s a HOFer but not a 1st ballot guy” is a total fucking idiot Curious Hair wrote: Yeah, you either are or you aren't. Why did Mike Mussina have to wait so long? What did we need to figure out that we didn't know already? I get it, but once you're in you're in. When they sign autographs and put "HOF" underneath, do they ever indicate how many years it took them to be voted in, or write '1st ballot HOF'? Not that I've ever heard of.
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 am ] |
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One of the worst owners ever. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:24 am ] |
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Larry Walker is a HoFer? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:32 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Yeah, you either are or you aren't. Why did Mike Mussina have to wait so long? What did we need to figure out that we didn't know already? I agree with that on the surface, but it's kind of nice to have some kind of hierarchy that separates Jeter and Maddux from Dawson and Blyleven. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:34 am ] |
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Nas wrote: Larry Walker is a HoFer? You don't think so? I'd certainly put him in before Baines and Dawson. It's not like he's purely a product of Colorado. He was good in Montreal and in St. Louis at the end of his career. If you think he was a juicer (I do), that's a different issue. My take is that Walker is there on the numbers but why do he and Piazza get in while Bonds and Clemens are kept out? The answer seems to be that the latter two guys are assholes. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:47 am ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Far superior players weren't unanimous, it doesn't bother me one bit that Jeter wasn't. That Rivera is the only unanimous guy is offensive. Yep, that's a strange one. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:03 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Larry Walker is a HoFer? You don't think so? I'd certainly put him in before Baines and Dawson. It's not like he's purely a product of Colorado. He was good in Montreal and in St. Louis at the end of his career. If you think he was a juicer (I do), that's a different issue. My take is that Walker is there on the numbers but why do he and Piazza get in while Bonds and Clemens are kept out? The answer seems to be that the latter two guys are assholes. He was a good ballplayer before he got to Colorado but he wasn't great. I'm always concerned about a guy who played during the steroid era and had some steroid power years getting in when he doesn't hit 400 home runs. Plus a guy doesn't go from .270 and 18 HR to .370 and 50 HR in a season without some help. A .313 average, 380 HR and 2000 hits doesn't scream HoFer to me in that era unless you're a catcher or a middle infielder. |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
I give a shit about the HOF ever since they ruled Rose out. Talk about hypocrites. Like baseball is somehow sanctimonious. What a joke. They've got some bad people in the HOFs in all sports.
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Larry Walker is a HoFer? You don't think so? I'd certainly put him in before Baines and Dawson. It's not like he's purely a product of Colorado. He was good in Montreal and in St. Louis at the end of his career. If you think he was a juicer (I do), that's a different issue. My take is that Walker is there on the numbers but why do he and Piazza get in while Bonds and Clemens are kept out? The answer seems to be that the latter two guys are assholes. He was a good ballplayer before he got to Colorado but he wasn't great. I'm always concerned about a guy who played during the steroid era and had some steroid power years getting in when he doesn't hit 400 home runs. Plus a guy doesn't go from .270 and 18 HR to .370 and 50 HR in a season without some help. A .313 average, 380 HR and 2000 hits doesn't scream HoFer to me in that era unless you're a catcher or a middle infielder. Larry Walker doesn't strike me as HoFer...and yeah, jumping to 49 HRs in 1997 is peculiar. He was very good, but I'm just not thinking hall of fame. His most impressive stat is career OBP of .400...that's pretty damn good for 17 years in MLB. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:15 am ] |
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Walker's home/away splits are insane. he was Avi Garcia on the road. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:16 am ] |
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How did a roider like Walker get in? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jeter, Walker HOF |
BigW72 wrote: Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: Larry Walker is a HoFer? You don't think so? I'd certainly put him in before Baines and Dawson. It's not like he's purely a product of Colorado. He was good in Montreal and in St. Louis at the end of his career. If you think he was a juicer (I do), that's a different issue. My take is that Walker is there on the numbers but why do he and Piazza get in while Bonds and Clemens are kept out? The answer seems to be that the latter two guys are assholes. He was a good ballplayer before he got to Colorado but he wasn't great. I'm always concerned about a guy who played during the steroid era and had some steroid power years getting in when he doesn't hit 400 home runs. Plus a guy doesn't go from .270 and 18 HR to .370 and 50 HR in a season without some help. A .313 average, 380 HR and 2000 hits doesn't scream HoFer to me in that era unless you're a catcher or a middle infielder. Larry Walker doesn't strike me as HoFer...and yeah, jumping to 49 HRs in 1997 is peculiar. He was very good, but I'm just not thinking hall of fame. His most impressive stat is career OBP of .400...that's pretty damn good for 17 years in MLB. He was a great player but when you think of him you don't think HoFer. I guess not being an asshole has some perks. I believe he used. Based on his power numbers it looks like he would abuse every other year. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:20 am ] |
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Haw famed is a Hall that has Bill Mazeroski in it? |
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