Hatchetman wrote:
I'm putting Sandberg on the list for his better years. Had some down years when his wife was getting DP'd by teammates and when he had his wrist busted.
Adding a "DP-factor" to the OPS+ calc
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:49 am ] |
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1. Dick Allen- three unbelievable years with the Sox before he wore out his welcome. 2. Frank Thomas- fans had high expectations and he delivered. 3. Bill Madlock- a hitting machine with the Cubs that were too cheap to pay him. Replaced him with banjo hitter Steve Ontiveros 4. Billy Williams- tough call between him , Banks , and , Santo. 5. Bill Buckner- Numbers don't show the true great hitter he was. Didn't walk much. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:32 am ] |
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Frank Thomas /thread |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:05 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:08 am ] |
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Tim Anderson |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:28 am ] |
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Sammy Sosa |
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| Author: | TurdFerguson [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:29 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:17 am ] |
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TurdFerguson wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. Thomas did it in the midst of the steroid era. We'll never know for sure if he was clean. But, Allen was clean of PEDs. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:20 am ] |
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TurdFerguson wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:22 am ] |
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Frank was the best hitter Chicago has ever seen. It’s not even close . |
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| Author: | tommy [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:26 am ] |
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vitoscotti wrote: TurdFerguson wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. Thomas did it in the midst of the steroid era. We'll never know for sure if he was clean. But, Allen was clean of PEDs. That's idiotic. Better to say that he did it in an era of smaller stadiums, but even that doesn't matter, because home runs weren't necessarily a priority for Frank. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:30 am ] |
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tommy wrote: vitoscotti wrote: TurdFerguson wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. Thomas did it in the midst of the steroid era. We'll never know for sure if he was clean. But, Allen was clean of PEDs. That's idiotic. Better to say that he did it in an era of smaller stadiums, but even that doesn't matter, because home runs weren't necessarily a priority for Frank. Jose Conseco said steroids provide strength, healing, and not getting fatigued. Steroids weren't used strictly for home runs. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:32 am ] |
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Jose Canseco also shot his own finger off while trying to clean a gun. Do you want to really rely on what that idiot says to be factual? |
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| Author: | tommy [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:34 am ] |
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vitoscotti wrote: tommy wrote: vitoscotti wrote: TurdFerguson wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread Pretty much. Yup. Frank basically matched those 3 years of dick Allen the entire 16 years he was on the Sox. Thomas did it in the midst of the steroid era. We'll never know for sure if he was clean. But, Allen was clean of PEDs. That's idiotic. Better to say that he did it in an era of smaller stadiums, but even that doesn't matter, because home runs weren't necessarily a priority for Frank. Jose Conseco said steroids provide strength, healing, and not getting fatigued. Steroids weren't used strictly for home runs. Frank was anti-steroids. He complained about them his entire career. He knew he was losing accolades to the juicers. He was also hurt a lot after his eighth season and didn't seem to get better in a hurry. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:35 am ] |
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Tough to say. How many seasons minimum? Albert Belle for that one year comes to mind. |
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| Author: | tommy [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:36 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: Tough to say. How many seasons minimum? Albert Belle for that one year comes to mind. He was pretty damn fierce, but so many garbage-time numbers. With the Sox, at least. "Don't tell me what ya hit . . ." |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:45 am ] |
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Derek Lee |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:46 am ] |
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Dick Allen 181 ops+ with Sox. Career 156. Thomas 161, 156. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:49 am ] |
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I'm putting Sandberg on the list for his better years. Had some down years when his wife was getting DP'd by teammates and when he had his wrist busted. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:03 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: I'm putting Sandberg on the list for his better years. Had some down years when his wife was getting DP'd by teammates and when he had his wrist busted. Adding a "DP-factor" to the OPS+ calc
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:08 am ] |
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Addison Russell |
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| Author: | The Hawk [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:34 am ] |
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Frank Thomas Ernie Banks Paul Konerko Jim Thome Dick Allen |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:37 am ] |
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these lists aren't that good considering we're talking about 80 years or so of baseball seasons. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:39 am ] |
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Derrek Lee Sammy Sosa Frank Thomas Paul Konerko Aramis Ramirez |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:40 am ] |
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| That's twice I've seen Derrek Lee in this thread. Was he even the best hitter on his team during any one stretch?
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:42 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: :lol: That's twice I've seen Derrek Lee in this thread. Was he even the best hitter on his team during any one stretch? Cubs/Sox hitters you've ever seen i didn't see any of the old farts. and yes, derrek lee was a very good hitter for 5-6 years |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:44 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: :lol: That's twice I've seen Derrek Lee in this thread. Was he even the best hitter on his team during any one stretch? I think his 2005 season was the most notable one during his time here. Probably doesn't compare to the best of Frank Thomas's stuff but I didn't see that. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:47 am ] |
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I never said Lee was some scrub. I know he was a pretty good hitter and had himself a very nice career. I'm just not sure he was a "best of" for a Cubs hitter's list. Were Ramirez and Soriano better than him most of the time? |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:48 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: I never said Lee was some scrub. I know he was a pretty good hitter and had himself a very nice career. I'm just not sure he was a "best of" for a Cubs hitter's list. Were Ramirez and Soriano better than him most of the time? Ramirez. Yes. Soriano. No. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:50 am ] |
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Soriano had a better WAR during two of the three seasons they were teammates. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:52 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Frank Thomas /thread This |
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