another plug for the Negro league museum. If you have not been to KC to see it you need to get there. Great stuff for any baseball fan

Looking forward to WFR's take on this.

It'll be interesting for sure to see how the stats are incorporated into history.

I don't see how you can do anything other than add them all whatever they may be, or don't add any. If the steroid era stats are going to stay in and count, then the same should happen for the Negro Leagues in my opinion.

I don't see how you can do anything other than add them all whatever they may be, or don't add any. If the steroid era stats are going to stay in and count, then the same should happen for the Negro Leagues in my opinion.

Probably should include stats from any professional organization.

We are going to have to take down the Jordan statue and burn the banners. The Harlem Globetrotters are now 94 time consecutive champions.

We are going to have to take down the Jordan statue and burn the banners. The Harlem Globetrotters are now 94 time consecutive champions.

It's ridiculous pandering, but you already knew that. Now back to your d virtue signaling about white guilt and what a great ally you are to minorities from your Lake Forest mansion.

the stats from the Federalist League

We are going to have to take down the Jordan statue and burn the banners. The Harlem Globetrotters are now 94 time consecutive champions.

I saw a story on I think Real Sports about a guy who has spent years tabulating box scores that were published in newspapers of that time. The numbers weren't made up he has.

http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/histo ... &sort=HR_a

Were these the stats Julie cited when attempting to check out a Josh Gibson book from her local library?

Has someone hacked WFR's account? He's made like 3 jokes in the past couple days. This can't be him.

Those are completely different circumstances, and it makes zero sense to compare them. Let's just add the stats from the Federalist League, and raise the banner for the Chicago Whales while we are at it.

Looking forward to WFR's take on this.

I guess I kind of fall somewhere between you and Frank regarding the numbers. If this had happened in 1980 I would have found it outrageous. 60 and 714 were sacred numbers that everyone knew. The names Tracy Stallard and Al Downing mean something to me. There was a time when I could tell you every guy who ever hit 50 in a season off the top of my head and it wasn't many. The steroid, juiced ball, small ballpark, whatever you want to attribute the offensive explosion to era changed everything. I don't even know the all-time home run record. I know Bonds holds it, but I couldn't tell you the number. The single season record, I'm pretty sure it's 73, but I wouldn't swear to it without looking it up. And I'm a pretty big fan. Even the average guy who didn't really care about the game knew 714. So did his wife.

Still, of course you're correct that it's pandering and it's pretty ridiculous to install the Bunyanesque feats of these guys, as great as they may have been, as official records. Are we going to replace Usain Bolt with Cool Papa Bell based on legend and sketchy record keeping too? Even if the record keeping were complete and relatively sound, which it isn't, there were too many guys pitching to Gibson and Charleston that couldn't have sniffed the big leagues.

I guess I kind of fall somewhere between you and Frank regarding the numbers. If this had happened in 1980 I would have found it outrageous. 60 and 714 were sacred numbers that everyone knew. The names Tracy Stallard and Al Downing mean something to me. There was a time when I could tell you every guy who ever hit 50 in a season off the top of my head and it wasn't many. The steroid, juiced ball, small ballpark, whatever you want to attribute the offensive explosion to era changed everything. I don't even know the all-time home run record. I know Bonds holds it, but I couldn't tell you the number. The single season record, I'm pretty sure it's 73, but I wouldn't swear to it without looking it up. And I'm a pretty big fan. Even the average guy who didn't really care about the game knew 714. So did his wife.

Still, of course you're correct that it's pandering and it's pretty ridiculous to install the Bunyanesque feats of these guys, as great as they may have been, as official records. Are we going to replace Usain Bolt with Cool Papa Bell based on legend and sketchy record keeping too? Even if the record keeping were complete and relatively sound, which it isn't, there were too many guys pitching to Gibson and Charleston that couldn't have sniffed the big leagues.

I guess I kind of fall somewhere between you and Frank regarding the numbers. If this had happened in 1980 I would have found it outrageous. 60 and 714 were sacred numbers that everyone knew. The names Tracy Stallard and Al Downing mean something to me. There was a time when I could tell you every guy who ever hit 50 in a season off the top of my head and it wasn't many. The steroid, juiced ball, small ballpark, whatever you want to attribute the offensive explosion to era changed everything. I don't even know the all-time home run record. I know Bonds holds it, but I couldn't tell you the number. The single season record, I'm pretty sure it's 73, but I wouldn't swear to it without looking it up. And I'm a pretty big fan. Even the average guy who didn't really care about the game knew 714. So did his wife.

Still, of course you're correct that it's pandering and it's pretty ridiculous to install the Bunyanesque feats of these guys, as great as they may have been, as official records. Are we going to replace Usain Bolt with Cool Papa Bell based on legend and sketchy record keeping too? Even if the record keeping were complete and relatively sound, which it isn't, there were too many guys pitching to Gibson and Charleston that couldn't have sniffed the big leagues.

Are we really that sure about that? There are also a number of players who never would have been in MLB if baseball had always been integrated. But either way, the numbers don't really matter anymore after the steroid/ juiced ball era. If it is verifiable through printed box scores I see no real issue with that. If were just going to let people like Julie make things up that is something different.

JOrr I do agree with your overall sentiment, I just don't see how baseball can say we will put some stats in but keep some stats out. It just doesn't work like that, or at least it shouldn't. It has to be all or nothing I would think.


Or maybe they will put 3/5 of Josh Gibson's homers into the record books.