The question that remains for Ortiz is whether his drop from what the Tracker shows on announcement day resembles what we've seen from Bonds and Clemens (they dropped more than 11 percent last year) or less (Andruw Jones, for example, dropped 5.1 percent, while Todd Helton only fell 2.4 percent)," Thibodaux said. "If the post-results public voters and private voters treat Ortiz like they treat Bonds and Clemens, Ortiz is likely to fall short of 75 percent. If they treat him more charitably as they tend to do for most other candidates, then he has a real chance to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer
https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-hall- ... pdate-2022

If you won't vote for Bonds, I can't see justifying a vote for Ortiz.

And some nitwit on the MLB Network was suggesting that the career and numbers for Bobby Abreu were similar to those of Tony Gwynn. Showing how stupid many voters are.

all of those underlined final year guys should be already.

Tracker of public ballots submitted so far has Bonds, Clemens, Ortiz over 75%, but this doesn't include private ballots, which usually ding the PED guys:

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?res ... 6pmWGGlQsI

There are probably a dozen guys on that ballot that should go in.

I keep hearing Mark Bhurle has no shot. Why? He was one of the best pitchers in the game when he played.

I agree, except for Shilling. I go the Hub Arkush route with him.

I keep hearing Mark Bhurle has no shot. Why? He was one of the best pitchers in the game when he played.

what an idiot. Abreu couldn't tie Gwynn's shoes on his best day

You sure about that? Bobby Abreu is a really underrated player. Obviously, Gwynn was a better hitter for average than Abreu but Abreu actually got on more. And there are a lot of other things that Abreu did better than Gwynn.

You sure about that? Bobby Abreu is a really underrated player. Obviously, Gwynn was a better hitter for average than Abreu but Abreu actually got on more. And there are a lot of other things that Abreu did better than Gwynn.

And there are a lot of other things that Abreu did better than Gwynn.

But you stump for Bonds? He's just as big a POS as Shilling, maybe even more so.


He was not. All Time great Sox player, but he never finished in the Top 5 for Cy Young voting. A deserving All Star at times and deserving of having his #56 retired, but he is not a Hall of Famer ya rube.

Like strike out- to the tune of 1800+ vs 437.

Their OBP and OPS numbers are very similar. Gwynn has career WAR by 9

I am not arguing that Buehrle deserves in because I agree that he doesn't. But at some point HOF is going to need to be redefined for this era of pitching or no one is going to be a HOFer for a long time.

Like strike out- to the tune of 1800+ vs 437.

Their OBP and OPS numbers are very similar. Gwynn has career WAR by 9

Agreed on Beurhrle.

And while Bonds is arguably the biggest pos of the last 40 years, Shilling is second and a phony grandstanding pos to boot. Plus I never saw him as an all time great, just a moth.

Everybody should grow the hell up and vote in Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens. AND the biggest dickhead of all, Pete Rose.

Everybody should grow the hell up and vote in Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens. AND the biggest dickhead of all, Pete Rose.

You sure about that? Bobby Abreu is a really underrated player. Obviously, Gwynn was a better hitter for average than Abreu but Abreu actually got on more. And there are a lot of other things that Abreu did better than Gwynn.