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Author:  Nas [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Soto

Going to the Yankees

Author:  Warren Newson [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

I saw the package going back to San Diego, there were certainly a lot of players, but no real standouts. If the Cubs were serious about replacing Bellanger and acquiring Soto, they could have topped it.

Author:  Rod [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Warren Newson wrote:
I saw the package going back to San Diego, there were certainly a lot of players, but no real standouts. If the Cubs were serious about replacing Bellanger and acquiring Soto, they could have topped it.



Maybe the Cubs really are going to get Ohtani.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
I saw the package going back to San Diego, there were certainly a lot of players, but no real standouts. If the Cubs were serious about replacing Bellanger and acquiring Soto, they could have topped it.



Maybe the Cubs really are going to get Ohtani.


No

Author:  RFDC [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Author:  RFDC [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

Author:  RFDC [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

I dont think the Yankees are in on him.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

RFDC wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

I dont think the Yankees are in on him.

I meant San Diego. Are they clearing payroll for him?

Author:  RFDC [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

I dont think the Yankees are in on him.

I meant San Diego. Are they clearing payroll for him?

I haven't heard their name linked to him, but who knows. There can always be a mystery team.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

I think Ohtani prefers California.

Author:  Ron Wolfley [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

No top 5 Yankee prospects given up.

Jesse Rodgers told me the Yankees were willing to give up number one prospect Jasson Dominguez for Bellinger.

Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

I dont think the Yankees are in on him.

I meant San Diego. Are they clearing payroll for him?


No. They are overleveraged and have to dump payroll. They will probably dump a bunch more.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Ron Wolfley wrote:
No top 5 Yankee prospects given up.

Jesse Rodgers told me the Yankees were willing to give up number one prospect Jasson Dominguez for Bellinger.


Did they not talk to anyone else?

Author:  Caller Bob [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Yankees fleeced San Diego, their prospects are shit.

Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Caller Bob wrote:
Yankees fleeced San Diego, their prospects are shit.



The goal wasn't to get prospects it was to get that salary off the books. I suspect Soto's money was the sticking point for the Cubs. Allegedly the Padres just wanted Morel and a couple minor leaguers.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Didn't San Diego need a short-term loan to make payroll last year?

Taking on a $30M salary for one of the best players in baseball shouldn't have been an issue for the Cubs or Sox.

Author:  Warren Newson [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

This trade is also very clearly for one year of Soto. Unless the Yankees offer him way more than he can get on the open market, he's going to hit the open market.

Author:  Caller Bob [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Yankees fleeced San Diego, their prospects are shit.



The goal wasn't to get prospects it was to get that salary off the books. I suspect Soto's money was the sticking point for the Cubs. Allegedly the Padres just wanted Morel and a couple minor leaguers.


I doubt it was his salary, they probably didn't want to part with prospects if they had no chance of extending him. Boras will take him to FA.

Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Caller Bob wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Yankees fleeced San Diego, their prospects are shit.



The goal wasn't to get prospects it was to get that salary off the books. I suspect Soto's money was the sticking point for the Cubs. Allegedly the Padres just wanted Morel and a couple minor leaguers.


I doubt it was his salary, they probably didn't want to part with prospects if they had no chance of extending him. Boras will take him to FA.



This whole thread is about how it didn't take great prospects to get him. Your last sentence is correct. It's a one year rental.

Author:  Caller Bob [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

They still should have got more for him even if a rental

Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Caller Bob wrote:
They still should have got more for him even if a rental



Maybe that market just wasn't there for a one-year guy. Most teams aren't trying to win year-by-year. They're looking for a "championship window" of several years.

What is it going to take to bring Soto back after next season? It's safe to say, probably a lot. So now you either have to pay him- the Yankees probably will- or you have to start over with someone else.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I am surprised any big move like this happened before Ohtani made his pick.


It was a smart move by the Yankees. Strike while everyone else is waiting for a response.

Seems dumb on Padres end tho. They could have possibly got more from a team that lost out on Ohtani.

I’m not following closely but are they in on Ohtani?

I dont think the Yankees are in on him.

I meant San Diego. Are they clearing payroll for him?


SD owner died and they are clearing obligations for a sale

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

good dolphin wrote:
SD owner died and they are clearing obligations for a sale

That is tough for a Sox fan to see, eh?

Author:  Rod [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

good dolphin wrote:

SD owner died and they are clearing obligations for a sale



Nas had it right above. They couldn't service their debt without a cash call even before the guy died. The partners basically said, "We aren't putting in any more money. If you want to go in your own pocket, go ahead."

The reason he spent so wildly in the first place was because he had already beaten cancer once and he figured, "what the fuck." All he cared about was getting the headlines over the Dodgers. He did okay in that regard for a little bit.

Author:  Nardi [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Definitely makes the Yankees a contender with the short RF porch.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Nardi wrote:
Definitely makes the Yankees a contender with the short RF porch.


They could probably dump him at the deadline for more than what they paid for him.

Author:  Nardi [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

They win the division and Soto has a career year.

Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 11:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Soto

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:

SD owner died and they are clearing obligations for a sale



Nas had it right above. They couldn't service their debt without a cash call even before the guy died. The partners basically said, "We aren't putting in any more money. If you want to go in your own pocket, go ahead."

The reason he spent so wildly in the first place was because he had already beaten cancer once and he figured, "what the fuck." All he cared about was getting the headlines over the Dodgers. He did okay in that regard for a little bit.

His grandfather was an O'Malley. Beating the Dodgers at their own game meant absolutely everything to him.

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