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Author:  badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:30 pm ]
Post subject:  2024 HOF Class
Beltre, Mauer, Helton in . All deserving .
Author:  Warren Newson [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:43 pm ]
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Beltre and Helton are 100% deserving. I would have liked to see Mauer spend more time at catcher, but I don't have any strong objection to him either.
Author:  Hussra [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:58 pm ]
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Was Mauer the one that had the constant recurring concussion issues at the end? Or was it the other M twin, Morneau
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:08 pm ]
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Beltre was a juicer
Author:  Hussra [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:21 pm ]
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Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:11 pm ]
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Hussra wrote:
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So basically Helton had a career OPS+ of 100?
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:15 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
Beltre and Helton are 100% deserving. I would have liked to see Mauer spend more time at catcher, but I don't have any strong objection to him either.

Mauer is kinda like Banks, best of generation at his original position, then injuries forced him to 1B where he was just a little above average.

Durocher wanted to trade Banks when he took over as manager and was overruled by ownership. Ernie wasn't really an outstanding hitter from 1963-1969 even adjusting for the pitcher's era. But those years of counting stats got him into the HOF.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:17 pm ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Hussra wrote:
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So basically Helton had a career OPS+ of 100?

No, tOPS+ is relative to the player himself. It meant that he had 119% of his OPS at home and 80% of it on the road.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:05 am ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Hussra wrote:
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So basically Helton had a career OPS+ of 100?

No, tOPS+ is relative to the player himself. It meant that he had 119% of his OPS at home and 80% of it on the road.


Gotcha…it did seem low to be OPS+.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:49 am ]
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Hussra wrote:
Was Mauer the one that had the constant recurring concussion issues at the end? Or was it the other M twin, Morneau



I remember Mauer sitting out for "Genral Weakness." But he belongs in. he's similar to Posey.
Author:  Hussra [ Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:25 am ]
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so it was the other guy, Justin Morneau. Morneau figured all the hockey concussions he incurred playing as a kid caught up with him that day it all went south in Toronto.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:20 pm ]
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Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:04 pm ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:24 pm ]
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Corey Kluber retired the other day. He's going to join a short list of two-time Cy Young winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame:

https://twitter.com/jay_jaffe/status/17 ... gr%5Etweet
Author:  Warren Newson [ Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:28 pm ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.


Those late years got him over 3,000 hits, which is an insane accomplishment considering he came over to MLB at age 27. The only thing that disappoints me about Ichiro is that we didn't get to see the full sweep of his career.
Author:  Nardi [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:04 am ]
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Warren Newson wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.


Those late years got him over 3,000 hits, which is an insane accomplishment considering he came over to MLB at age 27. The only thing that disappoints me about Ichiro is that we didn't get to see the full sweep of his career.

What was always shocking to me was his swing comp was Babe Ruth.
Author:  312player [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2024 HOF Class
Warren Newson wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.


Those late years got him over 3,000 hits, which is an insane accomplishment considering he came over to MLB at age 27. The only thing that disappoints me about Ichiro is that we didn't get to see the full sweep of his career.


Yeah.. he'd have had 4k hits if he didn't spend that time in Japan
Author:  badrogue17 [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:52 am ]
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Nardi wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.



Those late years got him over 3,000 hits, which is an insane accomplishment considering he came over to MLB at age 27. The only thing that disappoints me about Ichiro is that we didn't get to see the full sweep of his career.

What was always shocking to me was his swing comp was Babe Ruth.


Lil Danny Bernstein wrote:
if Ruth played today, he’d be just a guy
Author:  Hussra [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:13 pm ]
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and he's got more hits than Sadaharu Oh
Author:  Nardi [ Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:59 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Ichiro is going to be on the 2025 ballot. Over/under on how .any voters leave him off: 2.5.


Looking back at his career, I saw some interesting things.

1. The 2001 Mariners lost ARod (a 10 WAR IN 2000), but signed Ichiro and won 116 games.
2. Ichiro wasn’t even the highest WAR on that 2001 team (Bret Boone was) but still won MVP (and of course ROY)
3. Not only did Ichiro get screwed out of the MVP in 2004, but finished 7th—behind guys with less than half the WAR.

I was a big fan for those first few years, but I think he tarnished his legacy a bit by hanging around into his mid 40s when he hadn’t been productive for a decade.



Those late years got him over 3,000 hits, which is an insane accomplishment considering he came over to MLB at age 27. The only thing that disappoints me about Ichiro is that we didn't get to see the full sweep of his career.

What was always shocking to me was his swing comp was Babe Ruth.


Lil Danny Bernstein wrote:
if Ruth played today, he’d be just a guy

I see both sides of the argument. Ruth would have to make adjustments. Lighter bat and obviously could he catch up with today's fastball? I think yes but like Caleb Williams, nobody really knows.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2024 HOF Class
Warren Newson wrote:
Corey Kluber retired the other day. He's going to join a short list of two-time Cy Young winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame:

https://twitter.com/jay_jaffe/status/17 ... gr%5Etweet

HOF quality peak but not nearly long enough. Hall of the Very Good.
Author:  Warren Newson [ Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:39 pm ]
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Corey Kluber retired the other day. He's going to join a short list of two-time Cy Young winners who aren't in the Hall of Fame:

https://twitter.com/jay_jaffe/status/17 ... gr%5Etweet

HOF quality peak but not nearly long enough. Hall of the Very Good.


If he could have extended that peak for two additional seasons, he probably gets in through the short but dominant door.
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