Dick Allen in.

CC fucking Sabathia ?? Really ??? Ichiro misses unanimous by 1 vote .

CC fucking Sabathia

I don’t have an issue with this class. Looked at Sabathias stats just now. In modern baseball these are likely going to be HOF worthy:

251 wins
3093 strikeouts
Averaged roughly 188 innings pitched a year for 19 seasons
62.3 WAR
1.250 WHIP

I'm a no on Sabathia. I think the new Hall of Fame standard for pitchers is Kershaw/Scherzer/Verlander and Sabathia does not measure up to that standard.

He is like Luis Tiant to me. Good enough that I'm not distressed that he got in, but not good enough that his omission would have been an insult.

Buehrle screwed again.

He is like Luis Tiant to me. Good enough that I'm not distressed that he got in, but not good enough that his omission would have been an insult.

Well-said.

He did quit on his team that one year, but if he was a drunk, maybe he would not have helped them much. Plus, fuck the Yankees.

Well-said.

He did quit on his team that one year, but if he was a drunk, maybe he would not have helped them much. Plus, fuck the Yankees.

hall of very good

hall of very good

I'm fine with that but Tom Glavine is in that category too and he's in.

Glavine = Pettitte = Buehrle

Agreed, but his stats are basically the same as Sabathia’s, plus he had a perfect game and another no hitter facing the minimum.

Sabbathia is definitely a better argument for Buehrle than Glavine. I think you can make the case for Buehrle being as good if not better than Sabbathia.

The only pitchers in the Modern Era with 14 consecutive seasons of 200 innings are Buehrle, Christy Mathewson (1901-14), Warren Spahn (1947-63), Gaylord Perry (1966-80), Greg Maddux (1988-2001), Phil Niekro (1967-80) and Don Sutton (1966-80). Six of those seven pitchers are in the Hall of Fame. The other is Buehrle.

Just how rare was it for Buehrle to do what he did when he did it? His 3,232 innings from 2001-15 were not only the most in the Majors during that span, but he pitched 243 1/3 more innings than any other pitcher

Few pitchers, if any, fielded their position better than Buehrle. For starters, Buehrle racked up 87 career Defensive Runs Saved -- and FanGraphs didn’t even start tracking it until 2003. To put that number in perspective, Buehrle’s 87 DRS are tied with Greinke for the most by any pitcher during that span, despite the fact that Buehrle -- who averaged 6.7 DRS per season -- is missing 3 1/2 season’s worth of data.

Buehrle forced opposing hitters to ground into 362 double plays. That’s the fourth most by any pitchers since the stat was tracked in 1974, trailing only Greg Maddux (422), Tom Glavine (421) and Pettitte (363).

He picked off 102 baserunners during his career, which ranks fourth since 1974, behind only Steve Carlton (118), Mark Langston (105) and Andy Pettitte (103).
Since 1910, only two players have thrown at least 3,000 innings and allowed fewer stolen bases than the 59 swiped with Buehrle on the mound…

Buehrle remains one of only 23 pitchers to throw a perfect game -- and one of only seven to throw both a perfect game and another no-hitter. The other six are Sandy Koufax, Cy Young, Roy Halladay, Randy Johnson, Jim Bunning and Addie Joss. All six are in the Hall of Fame.
He was a five-time All-Star and four-time Gold Glover. He was 2-0 with a 3.47 ERA and a save in four playoff appearances in 2005 when the White Sox won the World Series for the first time since the Black Sox scandal.

By WAR, Buehrle was the 2nd best pitcher in baseball from 2000-15
His career 60.0 WAR puts him in 50th place in the modern game (1901 and later). A career WAR of 60.0 puts him ahead of 19 Hall of Fame starting pitchers. He’s barely behind well-regarded inductees Don Drysdale, and Jim Bunning.

I'm a no on Sabathia. I think the new Hall of Fame standard for pitchers is Kershaw/Scherzer/Verlander and Sabathia does not measure up to that standard.

Glavine's numbers are better than Buehrle. Specifically 305 Wins Compared to 214 wins.

Sabbathia is definitely a better argument for Buehrle than Glavine. I think you can make the case for Buehrle being as good if not better than Sabbathia.