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 Post subject: Mitchell Report
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:13 pm 
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Teams have received the Mitchell Report, and are in the process of looking it over before its released later this week.


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Any prediction for White Sox or Cubs players ?

I'm thinking Soto on the Cubs, and I wouldn't be shocked if Thome's name came up.


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id be shocked to see thome or thomas on there. while thier power numbers havent gone down all that much, the average sure has and they've been hurt a lot.

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Not sure about Soto since he is a younger guy. I think Thome is a possibility. Reports say anywhere from 60-85 players will be named.


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Juiced:

J.Crede
P.Konerko
S.Posednik (how do you think he hit that 1 hr)

M.Prior
S.Sosa
M.Delrosa


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Nas wrote:
How long before it is leaked?



Comes out Thursday, so I don't think it matters.


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I'm pretty sure Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Prior, Wood, Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens and Eric Gagne will all be on their. No big suprises.


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I think this report is a joke. 68 players ?

I think at least half the teams are juiced up on HGH, which there is no test for, and previously probably a higher % than that.

Even if you think my percentage is high, wasn't this covering the a 3 or 4 year time period ? 2003 to 2005 ?

I'm sure a few of the names on the report will keep the attention from the fact that this report is a joke.


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If a player is not named in this report it doesn't mean he's clean, it mean he wasn't dumb enough to get caught.


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Keyser Soze wrote:
If a player is not named in this report it doesn't mean he's clean, it mean he wasn't dumb enough to get caught.


Or dumb enough to be randomly accused


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BD wrote:
I think this report is a joke. 68 players ?

I think at least half the teams are juiced up on HGH, which there is no test for, and previously probably a higher % than that.

Even if you think my percentage is high, wasn't this covering the a 3 or 4 year time period ? 2003 to 2005 ?

I'm sure a few of the names on the report will keep the attention from the fact that this report is a joke.


There is absolutely no fucking value to it.
There were over 100 players who tested positive back in 2003 leading to implementation of the testing policy.
Last I checked,
100 > 68, still. :shock:
So I guess Mitchell didn't even have access to those test results :?
That's all I needed to know.

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Mustang Rob wrote:
BD wrote:
I think this report is a joke. 68 players ?

I think at least half the teams are juiced up on HGH, which there is no test for, and previously probably a higher % than that.

Even if you think my percentage is high, wasn't this covering the a 3 or 4 year time period ? 2003 to 2005 ?

I'm sure a few of the names on the report will keep the attention from the fact that this report is a joke.


There is absolutely no fucking value to it.
There were over 100 players who tested positive back in 2003 leading to implementation of the testing policy.
Last I checked,
100 > 68, still. :shock:
So I guess Mitchell didn't even have access to those test results :?
That's all I needed to know.


I'd say with 32 teams in the league, that there are at least 300 players in the league taking HGH or some other undectable form, and there are just a few who get caught because they are complete morons.


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If they really wanted to fully investigate the issue, the travel records of the players would be more telling then medical records.
Every player that had personally visited or had members of the family visit Mexico, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic or any other country that historically relies on pharmacists to distribute drugs that are controlled here in the States would be a suspect.
Bottom line is that MLB, NFL, or the NBA has no desire to curtail the usage beyond the cosmetic appearance of the current policies. Smaller, slower, and weaker competitors would be bad for business.

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Well isn't that just freaking fantastic...it wasn't a "clean" sweep! :wink:

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Houston Homer wrote:
Juiced wrote:
Juiced:

J.Crede
P.Konerko
S.Posednik (how do you think he hit that 1 hr)



Well isn't that just freaking fantastic...it wasn't a "clean" sweep! :wink:


Christ, I am so tired of hearing about this. Who cares?

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OldSchoolScoreFan wrote:
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Juiced wrote:
Juiced:

J.Crede
P.Konerko
S.Posednik (how do you think he hit that 1 hr)



Well isn't that just freaking fantastic...it wasn't a "clean" sweep! :wink:


Christ, I am so tired of hearing about this. Who cares?


Ummm...I'm a homer from Houston...I care. :roll:

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You're just a rotten old spider, Mr. Potter. You sit there and spin your little webs, and by golly, it's just wrong, wrong I said.

Didn't you read the headlines about that Harry Bailey? Never took a steroid in his life, that boy.

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the list is on Deadspin
http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-the-list%3F/is-this-the-list-of-players-mentioned-333479.php

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or you could have just clicked the link...

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Pujols - no way!


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Rich Garces?

RICH GARCES???


:lol:
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Darryl Kile...
Nothing like a little alcohol, some weed and a 3cc's of horse tranq...

lo and behold...No Frank Thomas!

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it says the list isn't entirely accurate...so i'm still waiting for the real list.

it's kind of sad that this is exciting...


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Rich Garces?

RICH GARCES???


:lol:
:lol:
:lol:
:lol:
:lol:



There's a cautionary tale for ya. See what happens when you eat steroids! :lol:


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Brady Anderson - Well Duh!
Manny Alexander - who?
Rick Ankiel - known
Jeff Bagwell - kind of a surprise
Barry Bonds - nuff said
Aaron Boone - no comment
Rafael Bettancourt - known
Bret Boone - obvious
Milton Bradley - obvious
David Bell - who cares
Dante Bichette - makes sense
Albert Belle - makes sense
Paul Byrd - known
Wil Cordero - who cares
Ken Caminiti - known
Mike Cameron - known
Ramon Castro - who
Jose and Ozzie Canseco - Duh
Roger Clemens - long susspected
Paxton Crawford - who
Wilson Delgado - who
Lenny Dykstra - known
Johnny Damon - long rumored
Carl Everett - obvious
Kyle Farnsworth - obvious
Ryan Franklin - known
Troy Glaus - news
Rich Garces - should have tried ephedra
Jason Grimsley - known
Troy Glaus - so good it's in here twice
Juan Gonzalez - known
Eric Gagne - surprise
Nomar Garciaparra - big surprise
Jason Giambi - known
Jeremy Giambi - obvious
Jose Guillen - known
Jay Gibbons - known
Juan Gonzalez - known 2*
Clay Hensley - who
Jerry Hairston - didn't work
Felix Heredia, Jr. - who cares
Darren Holmes - who
Wally Joyner - surprise
Darryl Kile - lets start connecting those dots...
Matt Lawton - who cares
Raul Mondesi - suspected
Mark McGwire - known
Guillermo Mota - known
Robert Machado - funny
Damian Moss - who
Abraham Nunez - who
Trot Nixon - got some bad stuff
Jose Offerman - LOL
Andy Pettitte - not thasurprising given the association
Mark Prior - suspected
Neifi Perez - known
Rafael Palmiero - known
Albert Pujols - suspected
Brian Roberts - rumored/known
Juan Rincon - known
John Rocker - it all makes sense now
Pudge Rodriguez - known
Sammy Sosa - known
Scott Schoenweiis - known
David Segui - known
Alex Sanchez - known
Gary Sheffield - known
Miguel Tejada - romored/known
Julian Tavarez - explains a lot
Fernando Tatis - rumored
Mo Vaughn - see rich garces
Jason Varitek - surprise
Ismael Valdes - ???
Matt Williams - explains the hair loss
Kerry Wood - rumored

Not shocked by too many of the names.
Looks like it's more of an east coast thing.

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you're surprised by the nomar one?

boston globe wrote about that years ago, when he went to the cubs i think.


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This list is going to change everything... :roll:

I can't figure out why Bud Selig did this in the first place. Just admit everyone screwed up and move on.

By the way Mark Prior? Really?
He must have been taking those bizzaro-steroids that make injuries worse.


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you're surprised by the nomar one?

boston globe wrote about that years ago, when he went to the cubs i think.


I must have missed that or just not allowed myself to believe it.
Given that most of the guys on that list have had injuries, makes you wonder what came first the chicken or the egg?
Injuries cause by the junk or junk taken to come back from injuries?

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Mustang Rob wrote:
I must have missed that or just not allowed myself to believe it.
Given that most of the guys on that list have had injuries, makes you wonder what came first the chicken or the egg?
Injuries cause by the junk or junk taken to come back from injuries?


i didn't want to believe it either; i don't remember who wrote it, if it was bob ryan, but it was a speculation about him using during his time with the red sox, then i think it dealt with the cubs injury...and adding questions there.

i ask the same question about the injuries...


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W_Z wrote:
it says the list isn't entirely accurate...so i'm still waiting for the real list.



There's some obvious missing names (e.g. David Eckstein).


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