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 Post subject: Mussina to retire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:04 pm 
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let the debate begin if he is HoF worthy

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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
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According to ESPN's Tim Kurkjian, he feels that "Moose" Mussina is Hall-of-Fame worthy, and I think the hard throwing righty will also be Cooperstown-bound.


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:09 pm 
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Yes, but Blyleven has to go in first.


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:27 pm 
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Yes, but Blyleven has to go in first.

Touche on Bert...Why he's NOT in Cooperstown baffles me. He was really good when he pitched & seems to have the record worthy of the Baseball Hall of Fame.


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:33 pm 
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Blyleven's issue is the overall record stinks. 287 wins are nice, but his career winning pct is .534 (he's got 250 losses). And he never won a Cy Young. Gaylord perry is in the hall with over 300 wins but a similar win percentage. He's probably in mostly because he's got 2 Cy Youngs. Don Sutton is similar and he got to that 300 number as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
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We've has this discussion before in this forum over Schilling. Blyleven should not be punished because he pitched on a bunch of shitty teams before the era of free agency. His numbers are definetly HOF worthy, and its not his fault his crap offenses couldn't give him any more run support and thus, more career victories.

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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
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Based on others that haven't made it I say no. But since he's been a Yankee for a few years, I'll give him a maybe. Above average + play for the Yankees = HOFer


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
We've has this discussion before in this forum over Schilling.


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 Post subject: Re: Mussina to retire
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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Blyleven's issue is the overall record stinks. 287 wins are nice, but his career winning pct is .534 (he's got 250 losses). And he never won a Cy Young. Gaylord perry is in the hall with over 300 wins but a similar win percentage. He's probably in mostly because he's got 2 Cy Youngs. Don Sutton is similar and he got to that 300 number as well.

Back to Tim Kurkjian for a second, Vince...One thing in Mussina's favor is his winning percentage for his career, and I thought I heard 62%, which is good. He's the first pitcher to retire after recording a 20-win season since Sandy Koufax did so before my time in 1966 for the Dodgers. Sandy, oh by the way, is a Hall-of-Famer.


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