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I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Thats because there is nothing else

How would you run a team in this day and age Rod? I ask not in a confrontational manner, but in a sincere "let's hear your plan" way.

I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Urlacher's missing neck wrote:

I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Thats because there is nothing else

Matches Malone wrote:

How would you run a team in this day and age Rod? I ask not in a confrontational manner, but in a sincere "let's hear your plan" way.

I wouldn't presume to think I could run a baseball team, but I guess my philosophy would be the same one I have for any business or endeavor that I'm involved in. And that would be to keep things as simple as possible and trust the people I've hired. With regard to baseball, that means I wouldn't have a manager trying to "make something happen". Get the best players possible and let them do their thing. Easier said than done, I know.

I do believe in "winning-type" players, though. Whatever we do, we've all been around negative and positive people at work. It does affect others. I can't imagine it doesn't affect professionals in sports. If someone were arguing with me, they'd undoubtedly point out famous examples of championship teams that brawled with each other. I would suggest those are simply collections of special guys who could live that way. Most of us can't.

I don't think the nine highest OPSes make the best batting order. If they did, winning would be a lot easier.

I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Are your philosophies on what winning Baseball is or should be, a direct result of the era in which you first starting watching? I starting following baseball in the mid 80's, so much as I might not want to, I'm still of the (meatball?) belief that you need team speed at the top of the order because hey, that's what the Cardinals had and they always beat the Cub. Why wasn't OPS or WHIP thought of more highly back then? See part of me still looks to AVG., HR & RBI first because that's what WGN gave me as a yute. I guess my question is, are we better fans now or when we were kids?

Author:	Rod [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:45 pm ]
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Apparently Peavy made a remark after last night's game about how he would have had to have been really good to win with only two runs. And this nonsense is the prevailing wisdom amongst fans today. Peavy was an unlucky guy last night. Bullshit. He didn't have to pitch "really good". He only had to pitch better than something called Danny Duffy while facing an inferior lineup. But he's been enabled by SABRmetricians who look at averages and differentials rather than real life situations as the occur. Peavy's "run support" was simply a supposedly inferior pitcher doing better against a supposedly superior lineup than Peavy did against the shitty Royals. Good outing, Jake. It wasn't your fault. You need more "run support".

Author:	Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:48 pm ]
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I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote: I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else. Thats because there is nothing else

Author:	Matches Malone [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:44 pm ]
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How would you run a team in this day and age Rod? I ask not in a confrontational manner, but in a sincere "let's hear your plan" way.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:59 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Urlacher's missing neck wrote: I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else. Thats because there is nothing else We gotta have something to cling to.

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Author:	Rod [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:10 am ]
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Matches Malone wrote: How would you run a team in this day and age Rod? I ask not in a confrontational manner, but in a sincere "let's hear your plan" way. I wouldn't presume to think I could run a baseball team, but I guess my philosophy would be the same one I have for any business or endeavor that I'm involved in. And that would be to keep things as simple as possible and trust the people I've hired. With regard to baseball, that means I wouldn't have a manager trying to "make something happen". Get the best players possible and let them do their thing. Easier said than done, I know. I do believe in "winning-type" players, though. Whatever we do, we've all been around negative and positive people at work. It does affect others. I can't imagine it doesn't affect professionals in sports. If someone were arguing with me, they'd undoubtedly point out famous examples of championship teams that brawled with each other. I would suggest those are simply collections of special guys who could live that way. Most of us can't. I don't think the nine highest OPSes make the best batting order. If they did, winning would be a lot easier.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:43 am ]
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If I'm reading his stat lines for the previous two games correctly, he gave up 5 earned runs in 6 innings and 4 innings. Did he have similar complaints when he was on pace to give up roughly 8 runs and 10 runs?

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:46 am ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote: I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else. No way he didnt talk hunting. God and Guns I agree Joe. Its ridiculous. And thats weird for Peavy to say. Even in this day and age of middle relief and quality starts, usually pitchers say the right thing....(Its my job to give up none...or something like that) I heard Verlander recently say his goal is a no hitter every game. I guess Peavy's goal is a "quality start"

Author:	Phil McCracken [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:10 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Urlacher's missing neck wrote: I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else. Thats because there is nothing else Oh we got both types of music. Country and Western!

Author:	Matches Malone [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:09 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Matches Malone wrote: How would you run a team in this day and age Rod? I ask not in a confrontational manner, but in a sincere "let's hear your plan" way. I wouldn't presume to think I could run a baseball team, but I guess my philosophy would be the same one I have for any business or endeavor that I'm involved in. And that would be to keep things as simple as possible and trust the people I've hired. With regard to baseball, that means I wouldn't have a manager trying to "make something happen". Get the best players possible and let them do their thing. Easier said than done, I know. I do believe in "winning-type" players, though. Whatever we do, we've all been around negative and positive people at work. It does affect others. I can't imagine it doesn't affect professionals in sports. If someone were arguing with me, they'd undoubtedly point out famous examples of championship teams that brawled with each other. I would suggest those are simply collections of special guys who could live that way. Most of us can't. I don't think the nine highest OPSes make the best batting order. If they did, winning would be a lot easier. Are your philosophies on what winning Baseball is or should be, a direct result of the era in which you first starting watching? I starting following baseball in the mid 80's, so much as I might not want to, I'm still of the (meatball?) belief that you need team speed at the top of the order because hey, that's what the Cardinals had and they always beat the Cub. Why wasn't OPS or WHIP thought of more highly back then? See part of me still looks to AVG., HR & RBI first because that's what WGN gave me as a yute. I guess my question is, are we better fans now or when we were kids?

Author:	312player [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:23 am ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote: I liked Peavy alot more back when I saw him interviewed as a 2nd year player with the Padres and he spoke about the lord and country music and nothing else. ahhh the good old days for the bulldog when he was pitching in the n.l west in massive ballparks and 7,8.and 9 hitters were an easy out

Author:	Rod [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:52 am ]
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Matches Malone wrote: Are your philosophies on what winning Baseball is or should be, a direct result of the era in which you first starting watching? I starting following baseball in the mid 80's, so much as I might not want to, I'm still of the (meatball?) belief that you need team speed at the top of the order because hey, that's what the Cardinals had and they always beat the Cub. Why wasn't OPS or WHIP thought of more highly back then? See part of me still looks to AVG., HR & RBI first because that's what WGN gave me as a yute. I guess my question is, are we better fans now or when we were kids? I'm sure to some degree I'm a product of my time. But I don't think speed is required at the top of the batting order. In fact, I suspect the batting order is nearly irrelevant and there's a lot of evidence to support such a conclusion. I think you should try to get the best hitters the most at-bats. That's a pretty sensible and simple philosophy. One major belief I have is that there is no such thing as "run support". My view is that the heart of each game is the competition between starting pitchers. Yielding the first run is clearly critical. And yes, I know there is a difference between facing the Yankee lineup and the batting order of the Mariners. However, in the space of a single game, what is obviously a huge difference in offensive capability is nearly negligible. And should be especially so when one team is facing The Great Felix Hernandez and the other is facing the broken down Freddie Garcia or the wildly inconsistent A.J. Burnett.

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