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Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Verlander wins AL MVP
Let the debates begin!
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:05 pm ]
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Shoulda been Adam Dunn.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:10 pm ]
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Jose Bautista wrote:
I tell ya, I get no respect at all
Author:  SHARK [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:12 pm ]
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Let the argument begin. There are several guys who you could've built a case for, starting with Red Sox CF and lead-off hitter Jacoby Ellsbury & 1B Adrian Gonzalez, not to mention Yankee CF and UIC's own Curtis Granderson. Those are three guys right there who had solid offensive stats this past season, and could've won the AL MVP instead of Tigers' righty Justin Verlander.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:13 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
Let the argument begin. There are several guys who you could've built a case for, starting with Red Sox CF and lead-off hitter Jacoby Ellsbury & 1B Adrian Gonzalez, not to mention Yankee CF and UIC's own Curtis Granderson. Those are three guys right there who had solid offensive stats this past season, and could've won the AL MVP instead of Tigers' righty Justin Verlander.

Jose Bautista wrote:
I tell ya, I get no respect at all
Author:  NSJ [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:18 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Let the debates begin!


SHARK wrote:
Let the argument begin.


Let the discussion begin.
Author:  SHARK [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Verlander wins AL MVP
NSJ wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Let the debates begin!


SHARK wrote:
Let the argument begin.


Let the discussion begin.

Guys, if Justin Verlander isn't the AL MVP, and I've heard from MLB "experts" who contend that a pitcher shouldn't qualify, who is?
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:22 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
NSJ wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Let the debates begin!


SHARK wrote:
Let the argument begin.


Let the discussion begin.

Guys, if Justin Verlander isn't the AL MVP, and I've heard from MLB "experts" who contend that a pitcher shouldn't qualify, who is?

Jose Bautista wrote:
Are you fucking with me man?
Author:  Rod [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:28 pm ]
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24 WINS!!!!!!!! Verlander deserved it.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:35 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
NSJ wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Let the debates begin!


SHARK wrote:
Let the argument begin.


Let the discussion begin.

Guys, if Justin Verlander isn't the AL MVP, and I've heard from MLB "experts" who contend that a pitcher shouldn't qualify, who is?


Anyone but Jose Bautista.
Author:  SHARK [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Verlander wins AL MVP
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:38 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.

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Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:51 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.


ARod won in last place. His season and Hawk's season were both above and beyond anyone else in baseball those years, and thats why they got it. Bautista's was a very good year, but not markedly better than people who played for contending teams.
Author:  SHARK [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:53 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
SHARK wrote:
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.


ARod won in last place. His season and Hawk's season were both above and beyond anyone else in baseball those years, and thats why they got it. Bautista's was a very good year, but not markedly better than people who played for contending teams.

I forgot about A-Rod, Big Chicagoan. He must have won the AL MVP one of the years the Rangers finished dead last in the AL West.
Author:  Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:53 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
24 WINS!!!!!!!! Verlander deserved it.


Yep.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Verlander wins AL MVP
SHARK wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
SHARK wrote:
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.


ARod won in last place. His season and Hawk's season were both above and beyond anyone else in baseball those years, and thats why they got it. Bautista's was a very good year, but not markedly better than people who played for contending teams.

I forgot about A-Rod, Big Chicagoan. He must have won the AL MVP one of the years the Rangers finished dead last in the AL West.


Bingo.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:54 pm ]
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SHARK wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
SHARK wrote:
The Blue Jays' RF did have a monster season, but Toronto wasn't even close to postseason play. I think when the Cubs' Andre Dawson won the NL MVP in 1987 for a last-place team, it was more an exception than anything else.


ARod won in last place. His season and Hawk's season were both above and beyond anyone else in baseball those years, and thats why they got it. Bautista's was a very good year, but not markedly better than people who played for contending teams.

I forgot about A-Rod, Big Chicagoan. He must have won the AL MVP one of the years the Rangers finished dead last in the AL West.


I think Ernie won one on a last place team too. If not, it was a bad second division team at best.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:59 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I think Ernie won one on a last place team too. If not, it was a bad second division team at best.


Finished middle of the pack both years he won it. 4th and 5th in the NL, respectively.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:06 pm ]
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Pujols win the NL MVP? Or maybe Matt Kemp.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote:
Pujols win the NL MVP? Or maybe Matt Kemp.


I believe Kemp almost won the triple crown, so I would expect him to win it.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I think Ernie won one on a last place team too. If not, it was a bad second division team at best.


Finished middle of the pack both years he won it. 4th and 5th in the NL, respectively.



'58 and '59, right? Fifth out of eight teams both seasons. Bad second division teams.
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:18 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I think Ernie won one on a last place team too. If not, it was a bad second division team at best.


Finished middle of the pack both years he won it. 4th and 5th in the NL, respectively.



'58 and '59, right? Fifth out of eight teams both seasons. Bad second division teams.


Wild card teams now.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:20 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

'58 and '59, right? Fifth out of eight teams both seasons. Bad second division teams.


Wild card teams now.


How is that? I don't think there's every been a Wild Card ten games under.
Author:  Mini Ditka [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:27 pm ]
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How can someone who doesn't play every day be the MVP?
Author:  Big Chicagoan [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:33 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

'58 and '59, right? Fifth out of eight teams both seasons. Bad second division teams.


Wild card teams now.


How is that? I don't think there's every been a Wild Card ten games under.


There are 5 teams in the playoffs from each league now. They placed fifth, so they would be in. Look, I'm really not arguing, I was just making a observation with respect to the state of todays MLB.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:36 pm ]
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Big Chicagoan wrote:
There are 5 teams in the playoffs from each league now. They placed fifth, so they would be in. Look, I'm really not arguing, I was just making a observation with respect to the state of todays MLB.


I guess that's one way to look at it. I'm not really arguing either. Just pointing out there have been more than a few MVPs from teams that were not good.
Author:  schmitty1121 [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:11 pm ]
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Great selection. Verlander deserved it, he was the stopper and carried that shit staff. Some guy from Texas named Evan Grant post his ballot, and voted Michael Young #1, lol.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:36 pm ]
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Who cares?
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