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Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Barry Larkin HOF?
Do you think he's a hall of famer???? I don't, my criteria for HOF is would I have missed them if they didn't play? In this guys instance no!
Author:  SomeGuy [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:39 pm ]
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If you have to have a big discussion on it....the answer is probably "no".
Author:  bigfan [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:57 pm ]
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Baseball Reference
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 120 (116), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Max is 130, so they think it is likely he will be in
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 47 (99), Average HOFer ≈ 50 But they think he is a touch below the Avg HOF
Author:  HOVA [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:08 pm ]
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Yes he is
Author:  badrogue17 [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:39 pm ]
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Hmmm his 33 HR season in 96 kinda stands out for some reason. I don't think of him as being a great player when I think of him. Im my opinion he's just a notch below, the very good for a long time player.
Author:  bigfan [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:42 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Hmmm his 33 HR season in 96 kinda stands out for some reason. I don't think of him as being a great player when I think of him. Im my opinion he's just a notch below, the very good for a long time player.


This is what the stats guys would say, but he might get into due to being a good guy and longevity is the opinion
Author:  man of few opinions [ Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:22 pm ]
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if mazeroski is in, then larkin is a slam dunk.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:13 pm ]
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Among shortstops, Larkin is one of the top ten of all time. Tough to keep him out when you compare his numbers to other shortstops.

His fielding is also underrated. He was just as good if not slightly better than Jeter with the glove.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:38 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Among shortstops, Larkin is one of the top ten of all time.


I'm sure that isn't the case, Frank. Just in Chicago there have been three better than he was.
Author:  Darkside [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:04 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Among shortstops, Larkin is one of the top ten of all time.


I'm sure that isn't the case, Frank. Just in Chicago there have been three better than he was.

Dunstons first 600 games...
Dunstons middle 600 games... and
Dunstons last 614 games.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:45 pm ]
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For reference....


This might be the toughest position to judge from the early days of baseball to today, as shortstops typically fell into two camps: hitters and fielders. Only the best have done well at both, and the powerful (Alex Rodriguez, Cal Ripken) have only emerged in recent years.


1. Honus Wagner
He's probably better known for his baseball card, which is more valuable than anybody else's because of its rarity. But his career was better than any other shortstop in big-league history, too. In 21 seasons, he hit .329 and stole 722 bases, and in a career entirely in the dead-ball era, he hit 101 home runs. He was in the original five-man class in the Hall of Fame in 1936. He hit better than .300 in 17 consecutive seasons and won eight NL batting titles. Wagner broke in with the Louisville Colonels and played his final 18 seasons for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Wasn't the greatest fielder (.940 career precentage), but that was among the best of his era, which was before there was such as thing as Gold Gloves or smoothed-out infields.

2. Alex Rodriguez
He has played more games at shortstop, so he remains on this list as of 2009. A-Rod will go down as one of the greatest - if not the greatest - power-hitting infielders of all-time. As of August 2009 he has a .304 career average, three MVP awards (but no World Series titles, of course) and is on pace to hit more homers than anybody, all-time. He won three Gold Gloves as well. On the downside, he's also admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs. That doesn't affect him on this list, but when Cooperstown comes calling, it probably will.

3. Derek Jeter
The all-time hits leader as a shortstop - Wagner had more, but played a lot in the outfield, first base and at third - Jeter will be remembered as a winner and a leader as much as for his production. And he also has a .316 career average as of August 2009, and hits for decent power. He's won three Gold Gloves as well (but doesn't have great range). And Jeter has 17 homers in the postseason that augment those four World Series rings with the New York Yankees. In his 15th season, he's already a lock for Cooperstown.

4. Cal Ripken
His career was similar to Jeter's, but with a little more power and not as good an average. Ripken hit .276 with 3,184 career hits and 431 homers, and moved to third base for the final five games of his 21-year career for the Baltimore Orioles. He won two AL MVPs and a World Series in 1983. And for playing in 2,632 consecutive games, the most in history, his place in baseball history is secure. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2007.

5. Luke Appling
Appling won two American League batting titles, and his .388 average in 1936 remains the highest by a shortstop in history. He hit .310 in his career and had a splendid .798 OPS, which is better than Ripken. However, he never even played in the postseason in his 20-year career for the Chicago White Sox. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1964.

6. Robin Yount
Yount almost played as many games in the outfield (1,218) as at shortstop (1,479). He was good enough to win a Gold Glove at shortstop in 1982, when he was the AL MVP, hitting .331 with 29 homers, both career-highs. Yount was consistent, with a career average of .285, 251 homers and 1,406 RBI, and personified Milwaukee Brewers baseball from age 18 in 1974 to age 37 in 1993. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1999.

7. Lou Boudreau
Perhaps the best of the middle 20th century, the former Indians shortstop had a career average of .295 in 15 seasons and drove in 789 runs. He also led Cleveland (as a player/manager at age 30) to its last World Series in 1948, when he was the AL MVP. He hit .355 with 18 homers and 106 RBI that season. Even more incredible that year: He walked 98 times and struck out only nine times in 676 plate appearances. His career ended somewhat early as he concentrated on managing at age 34. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1970.

8. Arky Vaughan
He replaced Wagner in Pittsburgh and was a perennial All-Star through the 1930s for the Pirates. He missed three seasons because of World War II, and that kept his totals low. But he still had 2,103 hits and a .318 career average (but wasn't fantastic defensively, a .951 percentage). Vaughan is largely forgotten, however, as he died in a boating accident in 1952. He hit .385 at age 23, and was elected to the Hall of Fame by the veterans committee in 1985.


9. Joe Cronin
A .301 career hitter, this Red Sox shortstop topped .300 11 times and played a solid shortstop, and was player-manager from 1933-45. He was almost out of his time, when the position was typically a small, slick fielder. Cronin was more like Ripken or Jeter, hitting for power and average. His career fielding percentage was .951. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1956.

10. Ozzie Smith
The Wizard is generally considered the best fielding shortstop ever (although fans of Luis Aparicio and Omar Vizquel might disagree). Smith won 13 Gold Gloves, a World Series in 1982 with the St. Louis Cardinals and was a career .262 hitter. He hit .300 only once, in 1987 (.303, 0 HR, 75 RBI), but was so highly regarded that he finished second in the NL MVP vote. His fielding percentage was .978, and he was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2002.

Next five: Barry Larkin, Omar Vizquel, Luis Aparicio, Alan Trammell, Joe Sewell.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:48 pm ]
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Who's list is that, RPB? Garciaparra was better than Larkin for sure. I'd put Larkin with a guy like Tejada.
Author:  HOVA [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:50 pm ]
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Ozzie was NOT better than Larkin.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:50 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Who's list is that, RPB? Garciaparra was better than Larkin for sure. I'd put Larkin with a guy like Tejada.

About.com

First thing that came up on google

here is Bleacher Report's list



Welcome to the third part of my mini-series. This week I will rank the greatest shortstops to ever play on the diamond.



10) Lou Boudreau
Played for: Cleveland Indians (1938-1950), Boston Red Sox (1951-1952)

Numbers: .295 Batting Average, 1779 Hits, 68 Home Runs, 789 RBI.

Analysis: An outstanding defensive shortstop and adept hitter. An eight-time All-Star selection, four-time .300 hitter and 1948 American League Most Valuable Player. He designed the "Ted Williams Shift."



9) Luke Appling
Played for: Chicago White Sox (1930-1943, 1945-1950)

Numbers: .310 Batting Average, 2749 Hits, 45 Home Runs, 1116 RBI, and 179 SB.

Analysis: He twice captured the American League batting title. The seven-time All-Star selection was also selected as the White Sox greatest player by the Chicago fans.



8) Luis Aparicio
Played for: Chicago White Sox (1956-1962, 1968-1970), Baltimore Orioles (1963-1967), Boston Red Sox (1971-1973)

Numbers: .262 Batting Average, 2677 Hits, 83 Home Runs, 791 RBI, and 506 SB.

Analysis: He took Rookie of the Year honors in 1956, collected nine Gold Glove awards, led the American League in stolen bases nine seasons and was named to the All Star squad 10 times. When he retired in 1973, he held the career record for shortstops for games played, double plays and assists.



7) Ernie Banks
Played for: Chicago Cubs (1953-1971)

Numbers: .274 Batting Average, 2583 Hits, 512 Home Runs, 1636 RBI.

Analysis: Banks is the greatest power hitting shortstop of all time. Banks was chosen to play in the All-Star Game during 11 seasons, was twice voted the National League Most Valuable Player. He played his entire 19-season career with the "Lovable Losers." He will be simply regarded as "Mr Cub." He was voted as the greatest Cub of all time.



6) Robin Yount
Played for: Milwaukee Brewers (1974-1993)

Numbers: .285 Batting Average, 3142 Hits, 251 Home Runs, 1406 RBI, and 271 SB.

Analysis: Playing his entire 20-year career with the Milwaukee Brewers, he collected more hits in the 1980's than any other player and finished with an impressive career total of 3,142. Yount earned MVP awards at two positions and his 1982 MVP campaign carried the Brewers to the World Series.



5) Omar Vizquel
Played for: Seattle Mariners (1989-1993), Cleveland Indians (1994-2004), SF Giants (2005-2008), Texas Rangers (2009)

Numbers: .273 Batting Average, 2657 Hits, 77 Home Runs, 892 RBI, and 385 SB.

Analysis: Vizquel is considered one of baseball's all-time best defensive shortstops, winning nine consecutive Gold Gloves (1993-2001) and two more in 2005 and 2006. Vizquel is the all-time leader in games played at that position, passing Luis Aparicio and is the all-time leader shortstop in double plays made.



4) Ozzie Smith
Played for: San Diego Padres (1978-1981), St. Louis Cardinals (1982-1996)

Numbers: .262 Batting Average, 2460 Hits, 28 Home Runs, 793 RBI, and 580 SB.

Analysis: “The Wizard of Oz,” Ozzie Smith combined athletic ability with acrobatic skill to become one of the game’s great defensive shortstops. His ninth-inning home run won the fifth game of the 1985 National League Championship Series. The 13-time Gold Glove Award winner set major league shortstop records for assists, double plays, and total chances.



3) Derek Jeter
Playing for: New York Yankees (1995-Present)

Numbers: .316 Batting Average, 2535 Hits, 206 Home Runs, 1002 RBI.

Analysis: Jeter is the captain of the current-day Yankees. He is fifth in career batting average of all active players. He is a four-time World Champion, the 1996 AL Rookie of the Year, nine-time All Star, and 2000 World Series MVP. He is known as "Mr November." He also has the most hits in postseason history.

His plaque at Cooperstown is probably already made and needs a storybook ending.



2) Honus Wagner
Played for: Pittsburgh Pirates (1900-1917)

Numbers: .329 Batting Average, 3430 Hits, 101 Home Runs, 722 SB.

Analysis: One of the Hall of Fame's five original inductees in 1936, Honus Wagner combined rare offensive and defensive excellence throughout a 21-year career. He had eight National League batting titles. He had 215 of the 226 votes for eligibility.



1) Cal Ripken Jr
Played for: Baltimore Orioles (1981-2001)

Numbers: .276 Batting Average, 3184 Hits, 431 Home Runs, 1695 RBI.

Analysis: Ripken played in 2,632 straight games for the Baltimore Orioles, shattering Lou Gehrig's "unbreakable" mark of 2,130. Ripken methodically put together a remarkable career, notching 3,184 hits, 431 home runs, 19 straight All-Star appearances, and two Most Valuable Player Awards.

His solid, steady play earned him hero status throughout America. His "2131" game was ranked as No. 1 of all time MLB Moments by the fans on MLB.com. Simply put, Ripken is the reason why fans came back to MLB after the strike in 1994. You can argue that Ripken had almost an impact in the game of baseball as Babe Ruth or Jackie Robinson.



This was my hardest position to rank all-time greats. They were so many players that were left out (Pee Wee Reese, Joe Tinker, and others.) Ripken was my favorite player growing up. My first MLB game I ever watched was his 2131 game on ESPN. This is biased as you'll ever see me towards an all time list.
Next Week: The greatest second basemen of all time
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:00 pm ]
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HOVA wrote:
Ozzie was NOT better than Larkin.

I hope you're talking about Guillen. :lol:
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:06 pm ]
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lipidquadcab wrote:
HOVA wrote:
Ozzie was NOT better than Larkin.

I hope you're talking about Guillen. :lol:

Neither would be a stretch.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:10 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
HOVA wrote:
Ozzie was NOT better than Larkin.

I hope you're talking about Guillen. :lol:

Neither would be a stretch.

Smith > Larkin > Guillen
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:15 pm ]
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Juan Uribe
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:16 pm ]
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Theriot
Author:  Rod [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:29 pm ]
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Harry Chappas
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:38 pm ]
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Smith > Larkin > Guillen

I believe Mr Smith is very overrated.
Author:  lipidquadcab [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:39 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Smith > Larkin > Guillen

I believe Mr Smith is very overrated.

R Kelly believed he could fly.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:44 pm ]
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lipidquadcab wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Smith > Larkin > Guillen

I believe Mr Smith is very overrated.

R Kelly believed he could fly.


I think it was Michael Jordan who believed he could fly. R. Kelly was just singing about it.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:46 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Smith > Larkin > Guillen

I believe Mr Smith is very overrated.
Hater


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Author:  Hawg Ass [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:50 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Smith > Larkin > Guillen

I believe Mr Smith is very overrated.
Hater


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Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:18 pm ]
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man of few opinions wrote:
if mazeroski is in, then larkin is a slam dunk.


Just because they let one piece of shit in, let them all in, how flawed is that logic?
Author:  man of few opinions [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:41 pm ]
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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
if mazeroski is in, then larkin is a slam dunk.


Just because they let one piece of shit in, let them all in, how flawed is that logic?

its not my logic. if it were up to me, about 50% of the hall members would be evicted. teh whole thing is way watered down to what i would consider "fame". but if the current hall of fame allows for mazeroski to be in, how is there an argument that they shouldnt let in larkin?
Author:  312player [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:48 pm ]
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man of few opinions wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
if mazeroski is in, then larkin is a slam dunk.


Just because they let one piece of shit in, let them all in, how flawed is that logic?

its not my logic. if it were up to me, about 50% of the hall members would be evicted. teh whole thing is way watered down to what i would consider "fame". but if the current hall of fame allows for mazeroski to be in, how is there an argument that they shouldnt let in larkin?


agreed...larkin hof? not in my opinion..but you may as well vote him in with all the undeserving players in already..who cares at this point.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:51 pm ]
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thats my thought as well. who cares?
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:27 pm ]
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man of few opinions wrote:
thats my thought as well. who cares?


Then why do you post, because....who cares. More people care more about the HOF than your lame ass opinions. Just sayin' :lol:
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