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Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:44 am ]
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http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacev ... z29xfwc3PE


What the fuck. Lots of people about to lose their jobs I'd hope

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:46 am ]
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Why would people lose their jobs over this?

A lot of it sounds like "traditional" drills/exercises, they were just done at odd hours of the day/night.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:48 am ]
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Dat Adam Dunn guy shoulda been doing dis kinda stuff last year!! I bet he woulda hit 35 homers!

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:49 am ]
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spanky wrote:
Why would people lose their jobs over this?

A lot of it sounds like "traditional" drills/exercises, they were just done at odd hours of the day/night.



Running through a pool set up in the outfield and diving into sand?

Relay races on a beach filling up garbage cans?

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:52 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
spanky wrote:
Why would people lose their jobs over this?

A lot of it sounds like "traditional" drills/exercises, they were just done at odd hours of the day/night.



Running through a pool set up in the outfield and diving into sand?

Relay races on a beach filling up garbage cans?

It sounds silly, not lethal or humiliating.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:54 am ]
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:lol: It doesn't sound like "traditional" baseball drills, either.

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:57 am ]
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I'd say it's somewhat humiliating waking guys up at random hours to go run bases in the dark. They are professional athletes, and a lot of very highly rated ones in that system. It's a lot more exposure to injury having them run on sand, through pools, diving etc. Grossly irresponsible management of talent that seemingly goes up to at least the GM

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:58 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
:lol: It doesn't sound like "traditional" baseball drills, either.

Sliding drills?
Batting cages?
Running for conditioning?

Did you have someone read you the article? :lol: :wink:

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:04 am ]
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spanky wrote:
Did you have someone read you the article? :lol: :wink:
Uh, no but you probably should since part of these "traditional" drills included;
Quote:
at 11:45pm, Broadway told the assembled players this would be their “rite of passage” to become Pirates, then sent them on a two-hour scavenger hunt for envelopes hidden across the complex.

Quote:
5 a.m., after a wink or two of sleep, they were bused over to Bradenton Beach for a two-mile run, followed by relay races in which they ran back and forth filling garbage cans with sand.


the article actually says, "At 1 p.m., after more non-baseball drills back at Pirate City"

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:10 am ]
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Here is my original post - you know the one you were referring to.
I know you love playing the semantics game.........
spanky wrote:
Why would people lose their jobs over this?

A lot of it sounds like "traditional" drills/exercises, they were just done at odd hours of the day/night.

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:11 am ]
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So running relay races on the beach should be a fireable offense - but forcing rookies and/or Ryan Dempster's teammates to dress like cheerleaders and superheroes in public.........

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:13 am ]
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So you had your little league team fill up trash cans with sand as part of your "traditional baseball drills" at practice?

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:15 am ]
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spanky wrote:
So running relay races on the beach should be a fireable offense - but forcing rookies and/or Ryan Dempster's teammates to dress like cheerleaders and superheroes in public.........


If you don't see the difference between asking guys to run relay's on the beach, running through pools, diving in sand and guys dressing up in costumes then we are no where close to agreeing on this.

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:15 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
So you had your little league team fill up trash cans with sand as part of your "traditional baseball drills" at practice?

Hell no.




They chased each other around, tackled each other, and ate snacks. That's it. All the time.

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:17 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
spanky wrote:
So running relay races on the beach should be a fireable offense - but forcing rookies and/or Ryan Dempster's teammates to dress like cheerleaders and superheroes in public.........


If you don't see the difference between asking guys to run relay's on the beach, running through pools, diving in sand and guys dressing up in costumes then we are no where close to agreeing on this.

They are different. I agree.

Neither one is a big deal. I don't feel bad for the millionaires that had to wake up early and do physical tasks as part of their preparation for their occupation. Nobody should lose their job because of that, IMO. Nobody did anything wrong.


I'll hang up and listen as to how you believe that forcing someone to dress like a cheerleader in public prepares them for their occupation.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:18 am ]
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First off, most of these minor leaguers are not millionaires.

spanky wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
So you had your little league team fill up trash cans with sand as part of your "traditional baseball drills" at practice?

Hell no.
So that settles that.



spanky wrote:
They chased each other around, tackled each other, and ate snacks. That's it. All the time.
What do I care about what was done at Chris's last poker game.

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:19 am ]
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spanky wrote:


I'll hang up and listen as to how you believe that forcing someone to dress like a cheerleader in public prepares them for their occupation.


It doesn't, but it also doesn't expose them to injury unlike the other non baseball related activities. At least the dress up can somewhat be spun at team building and marketing (even though I don't really agree with that)

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:20 am ]
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spanky wrote:
I'll hang up and listen as to how you believe that forcing someone to dress like a cheerleader in public prepares them for their occupation.
You are talking about player hazing, which is much different than management forcing minor league prospects to fill a trash can with sand.

Author:  Hawg Ass [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:25 am ]
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I can see what the Pirates people were trying to do, and it is unfortunate somebody got hurt. I personally don't think anybody should be fired for it though.

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:25 am ]
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Wait, wait, wait. Just want to be clear before we go on:

You guys are of the opinion that pro athletes should only do specific sport-related drills activities in order to prepare for their season? Otherwise the person that is making them do that should be fired. Do I have that right?

Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:26 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
I'd say it's somewhat humiliating waking guys up at random hours to go run bases in the dark. They are professional athletes, and a lot of very highly rated ones in that system. It's a lot more exposure to injury having them run on sand, through pools, diving etc. Grossly irresponsible management of talent that seemingly goes up to at least the GM


Chill out there, Scott Boras.

Nobody lost life or limb, nor were the exposed to risk of losing same. I'll give you it sounds kinda lame, but that's it. Why anybody should care about this doesn't quite click with me. At worst, it's fraternity-type hazing except at considerably lower levels, and it's not like the Pirates orginization is the only team in sports doing similar things like this.

We have once again reached a point where one must invoke the famous line, "I think you're being purposefully obtuse."

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:26 am ]
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I never said anybody should be fired. I said some of these were not traditional baseball drills, and I am 100% correct with that statement.

Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:28 am ]
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I'll stand by my statement. The injury risk doing just traditional baseball drills is high enough. Having these guys perform these non baseball related drills serves absolutely no purpose except greatly increasing the risk of very highly drafted and talented players to injury...which happened.

Author:  Hawg Ass [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:31 am ]
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Have you ever worked for a organization and been to team building or management camps? I have done some crazy shit that could get me killed, that wasn't part of my job. I think you are way to worked up over this.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:33 am ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
I'll stand by my statement. The injury risk doing just traditional baseball drills is high enough. Having these guys perform these non baseball related drills serves absolutely no purpose except greatly increasing the risk of very highly drafted and talented players to injury...which happened.
Tiger Woods and his torn ACL would tend to agree.

Author:  spanky [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:52 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I never said anybody should be fired. I said some of these were not traditional baseball drills, and I am 100% correct with that statement.

Dammit Franklin.

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