Konerko over Grace
Ventura was way better with the glove than Ramirez was. Offense Ramirez was probably better
Dawson in RF, Ordonez in LF
SP Dennis Eckersely, Mark Buerhle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale
Closer is Lee Smith, Bobby Jenks 2nd
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | All City team since 1970 |
Just a discussion in my office. Were taking guys at their best for the most part. Very few slam dunks though. Sandberg and Frank Thomas are the only ones we thought were obvious. Some of the discussions AJ or Carlton Fisk Sosa, Ordonez, Baines or Dawson Grace, Lee, or Konerko (Frank is the DH) Ventrua or Ramirez? What do you guys think? C 1B 2B Sandberg 3B SS LF CF RF DH Frank SP Maddux SP McDowell SP SP SP CP |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:28 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily. Ya know, looking at the numbers you might be right. I may overrate Ventura, I liked him as a kid. the 162 game averages favor Ramirez though |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:30 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily. Ya know, looking at the numbers you might be right. I may overrate Ventura, I liked him as a kid. the 162 game averages favor Ramirez though I dont think ( based on his college career anyway) that Ventura ever lived up to his billing. He was a solid mlb player and put up good numbers but coming out of college I was expecting a career .300 hitter with multiple gold gloves . |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily. Ya know, looking at the numbers you might be right. I may overrate Ventura, I liked him as a kid. the 162 game averages favor Ramirez though I dont think ( based on his college career anyway) that Ventura ever lived up to his billing. He was a solid mlb player and put up good numbers but coming out of college I was expecting a career .300 hitter with multiple gold gloves . 6 Gold Gloves and his defensive stats are impressive. But yeah, he was a pretty high prospect. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:38 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: I dont think the Ramirez / Ventura choice is even close. Ramirez easily. Ya know, looking at the numbers you might be right. I may overrate Ventura, I liked him as a kid. the 162 game averages favor Ramirez though I dont think ( based on his college career anyway) that Ventura ever lived up to his billing. He was a solid mlb player and put up good numbers but coming out of college I was expecting a career .300 hitter with multiple gold gloves . 6 Gold Gloves and his defensive stats are impressive. But yeah, he was a pretty high prospect. Didn't realize he won that many Gold Gloves. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:46 am ] |
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C fisk 1B grace 2B Sandberg 3B madlock SS guillen LF williams CF lemon RF dawson DH Frank SP Maddux SP McDowell SP jenkins SP sutcliffe SP wood CP sutter |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:48 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: C fisk 1B grace 2B Sandberg 3B madlock SS guillen LF williams CF lemon RF dawson DH Frank SP Maddux SP McDowell SP jenkins SP sutcliffe SP wood CP sutter I like it. I wouldnt have thought of Chet |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
Wood and Sutcliffe are awful selections for pitching. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:53 am ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Wood and Sutcliffe are awful selections for pitching. I didnt see Wood, I wouldnt pick him Whats the problem with Sutcliffe? |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:55 am ] |
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C Fisk 1B Thomas 2B Sandberg SS Ozzie? 3B Ramirez LF Soriano CF Lance Johnson RF Sosa SP McDowell SP Maddux SP Buehrle SP Sutcliffe SP Hoyt CP Lee Smith |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
wilbur wood's gotta be on that team. you guys are nutz. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:57 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: wilbur wood's gotta be on that team. you guys are nutz. Pretty sure Rogue thought you meant Kerry Wood. Im not sure if Wilbur HAS to be on that team. He was discussed. But its not that crazy to suggest there have been 5 better starters in the last 43 years |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:58 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: But its not that crazy to suggest there have been 5 better starters in the last 43 years yeah it is, but I'm not going to argue about. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
Konerko over Grace Ventura was way better with the glove than Ramirez was. Offense Ramirez was probably better Dawson in RF, Ordonez in LF SP Dennis Eckersely, Mark Buerhle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale Closer is Lee Smith, Bobby Jenks 2nd |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:03 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: But its not that crazy to suggest there have been 5 better starters in the last 43 years yeah it is, but I'm not going to argue about. I didnt realize his numbers were THAT good. Yes, he's on the team for sure. Dont be such a prick about it. Its a message board. This is what we do. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:05 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: yeah it is, but I'm not going to argue about. If you don't want to argue about that Wood or Kerry Wood, would you like to argue about Tiger Woods? 
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:06 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Ventura was way better with the glove than Ramirez was. Offense Ramirez was probably better Probably? No he was waaay better. The gap between their offense and defense is similar Frank Coztansa wrote: Dawson in RF, Ordonez in LF SP Dennis Eckersely, Mark Buerhle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale Closer is Lee Smith, Bobby Jenks 2nd Surprised no one is taking the guy who hit 60 homeruns three times. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
Truth be told I would take Dick Allen over both of them, but he played 1st for the most part with the Sox. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
D'oh Oops, hit post... still editing. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
I did think he meant Kerry and not Wilbur. Apologies Hatch. You can do better than Sutcliffe though. Beuhrle, Zambrano, Rick Reuschel just off top of my head. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:19 pm ] |
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Ventura would have more gold gloves but he caught the ass end of Ripken when they were giving popularity choices to him while he played 3rd. Also, another 3b guy blocked him but I am drawing a blank. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
badrogue17 wrote: I did think he meant Kerry and not Wilbur. Apologies Hatch. You can do better than Sutcliffe though. Beuhrle, Zambrano, Rick Reuschel just off top of my head. Sutcliffe was 82-65 for the Cubs with an era in the mid 3's. Not too shabby |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
C fisk 1B Banks 2B Sandberg 3B Ventura SS guillen LF williams CF Lemon RF Baines DH Frank SP Maddux SP McDowell SP jenkins SP sutcliffe SP Buehrle CP Thigpen |
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| Author: | Gloopan Kuratz [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
No Harold Baines love? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
pittmike wrote: Ventura would have more gold gloves but he caught the ass end of Ripken when they were giving popularity choices to him while he played 3rd. Also, another 3b guy blocked him but I am drawing a blank. Oh yeah that Boggs guy 
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:25 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: pittmike wrote: Ventura would have more gold gloves but he caught the ass end of Ripken when they were giving popularity choices to him while he played 3rd. Also, another 3b guy blocked him but I am drawing a blank. Oh yeah that Boggs guy Oh and Ripken never won one at 3b I must have been thinking all-star
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
sutcliffe is debatable. his 1984 was dominating and RPB did say PEAK. his numbers were hurt by his constantly being hurt. is that a pun? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: All City team since 1970 |
Gloopan Kuratz wrote: No Harold Baines love? I mentioned him as one of the four Nobody wants the guy who put up this line either .328 64 Hr 160 RBI |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:26 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: sutcliffe is debatable. his 1984 was dominating and RPB did say PEAK. his numbers were hurt by his constantly being hurt. is that a pun? weird how Sutcliffe was average on the Indians in the begginning of 84 and then just dominant on the cubs |
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