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Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on DL? |
Just thinking about the Dodgers chances without Kemp I understand you can make a case for Kershaw But, Im trying to think of significant injuries on W.S. teams Gibson was out for the most of the W.S. in 88 but obviously he was there |
Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Kemp was bad the few games he was healthy this year. I'm not sure he is their best player anymore. Haven't they also benched Either because there are no spots in the OF? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
As long as Donny Baseball is in the dugout, the Dodgers' best weapon will be there. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Urlacher's missing neck wrote: Kemp was bad the few games he was healthy this year. I'm not sure he is their best player anymore. Haven't they also benched Either because there are no spots in the OF? Pretty sure Kemp is still the best player healthy. Unless Puig doesnt regress at all. 40/40 is solid in the post roid era |
Author: | Apologist [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Kemp is about the 4th or 5th best player on the Dodgers now. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Terry's Peeps wrote: As long as Donny Baseball is in the dugout, the Dodgers' best weapon will be there. |
Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
He only had that single 39/40 season though and regressed last year with the power numbers (100 or so fewer ab's though) I would not be shocked he were an HGH guy with his sudden rash of injuries. |
Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Detroit might end up losing Cabrera if they make it that far, which would be a greater loss than Kemp is to the Dodgers. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Apologist wrote: Kemp is about the 4th or 5th best player on the Dodgers now. You kidding? You really gonna demote him that much for one pedestrian half season where he was hurt? Last season there were numerous articles calling him the best player in baseball Even coming into this year. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Urlacher's missing neck wrote: He only had that single 39/40 season though and regressed last year with the power numbers (100 or so fewer ab's though) I would not be shocked he were an HGH guy with his sudden rash of injuries. He didnt regress. He played 106 games and had 23 homers. Which works out to about 35 if he plays a whole year He regressed a little this year, but he wasnt 100% |
Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
According to Craig Sager, all of South Korea is watching the Dodgers-Braves game right now, despite it being 9 am Monday in S. Korea. |
Author: | Apologist [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
You can't really be making this argument. He had 1 career year (it happens) but he has had a lot of mediocre seasons. I'd argue the monster year is the outlier. Even so, it's not who's career numbers are better, it's who do you want right now. That might even be moot because Hanley has had a better career numbers-wise. And he's a lot better right now. so we have Kershaw Ramirez Greinke Puig I'm pretty sure most GMs (and CSFMB posters) would take those guys before Kemp. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Apologist wrote: You can't really be making this argument. He had 1 career year (it happens) but he has had a lot of mediocre seasons. I'd argue the monster year is the outlier. Even so, it's not who's career numbers are better, it's who do you want right now. That might even be moot because Hanley has had a better career numbers-wise. And he's a lot better right now. so we have Kershaw Ramirez Greinke Puig I'm pretty sure most GMs (and CSFMB posters) would take those guys before Kemp. And Uribe. He's the magic touch. Dodgers World Series is inevitable. |
Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
NearWessSideHussra wrote: According to Craig Sager, all of South Korea is watching the Dodgers-Braves game right now, despite it being 9 am Monday in S. Korea. All of South Korea is inside of Ryu's uniform. Mix in a jog or 2. |
Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Terry's Peeps wrote: And Uribe. He's the magic touch. Dodgers World Series is inevitable. |
Author: | Apologist [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Urlacher's missing neck wrote: NearWessSideHussra wrote: According to Craig Sager, all of South Korea is watching the Dodgers-Braves game right now, despite it being 9 am Monday in S. Korea. All of South Korea is inside of Ryu's uniform. Mix in a jog or 2. Were mass suicides reported after the Byung-Hyun Kim meltdown? |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Apologist wrote: You can't really be making this argument. He had 1 career year (it happens) but he has had a lot of mediocre seasons. I'd argue the monster year is the outlier. Even so, it's not who's career numbers are better, it's who do you want right now. That might even be moot because Hanley has had a better career numbers-wise. And he's a lot better right now. so we have Kershaw Ramirez Greinke Puig I'm pretty sure most GMs (and CSFMB posters) would take those guys before Kemp. Again, Im not sure you're serious His OPS was .906 last year when he got hurt He was great in 09, real good in 2010, Unreal in 2011, and great in 12 before he was hurt Before this year, and when he's healthy, he was/is one of the best players in baseball This year he was playing with a hurt shoulder. Im throwing this year out. If healthy, he's better than everyone on that list but Kershaw |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:13 pm ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Apologist wrote: You can't really be making this argument. He had 1 career year (it happens) but he has had a lot of mediocre seasons. I'd argue the monster year is the outlier. Even so, it's not who's career numbers are better, it's who do you want right now. That might even be moot because Hanley has had a better career numbers-wise. And he's a lot better right now. so we have Kershaw Ramirez Greinke Puig I'm pretty sure most GMs (and CSFMB posters) would take those guys before Kemp. And Uribe. He's the magic touch. Dodgers World Series is inevitable. Boom. |
Author: | Apologist [ Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
We'll just agree to disagree. I don't think Kemp is their best player.. and I don't think it's particularly close. Here's his bWAR totals by year: '07 1.6 '08 3.9 '09 4.8 '10 -1.1 '11 8.1 '12 2.4 '13 0.5 One monster year. Yes, I realize some of that is health related... but part of being a "franchise" player is staying on the field. I just think people overrate him because of the 40-40 thing (Canseco, Soriano, Kemp... all great shiny numerical seasons, but what's the demoninator here... flawed players in many respects), playing the "premier" position of CF (not very well, I might add) and dating starlets. Also the fact they basically took off after he went down doesn't score him any points either. Not a clubhouse leader, if you put stock in that kind of thing. It doesn't matter if we do anyway, I'm pretty sure Mattingly does. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Ok, well, let me rephrase Has a team ever won the W.S. with the player who came into the season as their best player, did not contribute in post season |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Terry's Peeps wrote: And Uribe. He's the magic touch. Dodgers World Series is inevitable. dan bernstein: No team can win a World Series with Juan Uribe as a regular. JORR: Actually, I'm not sure a team can win a World Series without him. Beardown: |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: And Uribe. He's the magic touch. Dodgers World Series is inevitable. dan bernstein: No team can win a World Series with Juan Uribe as a regular. JORR: Actually, I'm not sure a team can win a World Series without him. Beardown: Juan Uribe is the Forrest Gump of MLB |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
rogers park bryan wrote: Juan Uribe is the Forrest Gump of MLB Uribe is an interesting player. His numbers aren't going to stand up well under statistical analysis. But he is the poster boy for "intangibles". There isn't a clubhouse in baseball where he isn't everyone's favorite guy. He can do a lot of things well enough on the field. And he seems to have a knack for stepping up at the right time. You're always going to try to replace him, but chances are the guy you replace him with isn't going to help you as much as he would. And he's just going to go someplace else and win another World Series. Probably on a team that brings him in as a utility player but where he ends up playing more than anyone thought he would. You keep trying to win with Gordon Beckham. Give me Juan Uribe. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:36 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Juan Uribe is the Forrest Gump of MLB Uribe is an interesting player. His numbers aren't going to stand up well under statistical analysis. But he is the poster boy for "intangibles". There isn't a clubhouse in baseball where he isn't everyone's favorite guy. He can do a lot of things well enough on the field. And he seems to have a knack for stepping up at the right time. You're always going to try to replace him, but chances are the guy you replace him with isn't going to help you as much as he would. And he's just going to go someplace else and win another World Series. Probably on a team that brings him in as a utility player but where he ends up playing more than anyone thought he would. You keep trying to win with Gordon Beckham. Give me Juan Uribe. He made the best defensive play in a World Series in the last 20 years and you never see it. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Juan Uribe is the Forrest Gump of MLB Uribe is an interesting player. His numbers aren't going to stand up well under statistical analysis. But he is the poster boy for "intangibles". There isn't a clubhouse in baseball where he isn't everyone's favorite guy. He can do a lot of things well enough on the field. And he seems to have a knack for stepping up at the right time. You're always going to try to replace him, but chances are the guy you replace him with isn't going to help you as much as he would. And he's just going to go someplace else and win another World Series. Probably on a team that brings him in as a utility player but where he ends up playing more than anyone thought he would. You keep trying to win with Gordon Beckham. Give me Juan Uribe. I wonder if his crazy arm strength and amount of saved runs is missed by stats. He swings hard enough |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
rogers park bryan wrote: I wonder if his crazy arm strength and amount of saved runs is missed by stats. He swings hard enough The other thing to remember about Uribe is that as a steroid era shortstop, his numbers didn't look real good. I mean, obviously he pales next to guys like Garciaparra, A-Rod, Ripken, Tejada, etc. But as we move into an era where guys like Simmons and Iglesias seem to be the prototypes, I think you could do a lot worse than penciling Juan in at short everyday. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
any team that won it with ARod is a team whose best player is on the DL |
Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
Frank Thomas, 2005 |
Author: | newper [ Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:31 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Probably on a team that brings him in as a utility player but where he ends up playing more than anyone thought he would. You keep trying to win with Gordon Beckham. Give me Juan Uribe. You put Uribe on Secretariat and they'd win by 41 lengths. |
Author: | Rod [ Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Has a team ever won the W.S. with their best player on D |
newper wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Probably on a team that brings him in as a utility player but where he ends up playing more than anyone thought he would. You keep trying to win with Gordon Beckham. Give me Juan Uribe. You put Uribe on Secretariat and they'd win by 41 lengths. TWTW! |
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