jimmypasta wrote:
I think a real problem with todays's major leagues is the lack of black & white players. I have no problem with Latin players but a lot of them have the same surname which for the casual fan tuning in makes things confusing.
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Can baseball be "saved?" Should it be? |
Average WS view is 54 years old. Major sponsor is an erectile disfunction drug. Nobody gives a shit. Anyone even care enough to offer an opinion? |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Can baseball be "saved?" Should it be? |
Step one: Get rid of Joe Buck Step two: Celebrate saving the World Series |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:49 pm ] |
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I think a real problem with todays's major leagues is the lack of black & white players. I have no problem with Latin players but a lot of them have the same surname which for the casual fan tuning in makes things confusing. Also, MLB's last game should be done by mid-October. How is attendance though? I thought it was still through the roof? |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:50 pm ] |
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Cubs go to the World Series. Baseball is saved. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Cubs go to the World Series. Baseball is saved. Well I guess baseball is fucked then huh Doc |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
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Phil McCracken wrote: Step one: Get rid of Joe Buck Step two: Celebrate saving the World Series Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Cubs go to the World Series. Baseball is saved. And I think we're done here. Next topic ....... |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: I think a real problem with todays's major leagues is the lack of black & white players. I have no problem with Latin players but a lot of them have the same surname which for the casual fan tuning in makes things confusing. Also, MLB's last game should be done by mid-October. How is attendance though? I thought it was still through the roof? This. The season runs too late in the year. By the end of the season it's cold and shitty outside and football has started and hockey and basketball are getting under way and no one gives a damn about the world series. Baseball also does a shitty job marketing. The NFL and the NBA do a great job marketing, the MLB needs to take some pointers from them. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: I think a real problem with todays's major leagues is the lack of black & white players. I have no problem with Latin players but a lot of them have the same surname which for the casual fan tuning in makes things confusing. I argue that for hockey, I dont think it's valid for baseball. Baseball is perfect the way it is |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:53 pm ] |
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It feels like a dying sport. It's kind of like Nascar to me. Apparently it's a big deal but I don't know anyone who watches it. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
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I know that this can be directly be traced to the complete awfulness of the Cubs but this is the least I have cared about baseball as a whole ever before. I can watch an NFL game not involving the Bears or an NBA game not involving the Bulls but watching a baseball game between two random teams is just agonizingly bad. We are talking Florida Panthers vs. Tampa bay Lightning levels of disinterest. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:55 pm ] |
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Hockey Gay wrote: It feels like a dying sport. It's kind of like Nascar to me. Apparently it's a big deal but I don't know anyone who watches it. ...said the hockey fan |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:56 pm ] |
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It doesn't need to be saved. It's just being replaced like an old senile man by younger and more able sports. At some point, a sport will come along that is better than football and we'll let it go too. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:56 pm ] |
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IMO baseball is 99% perfect but all the pitching changes really slow shit up. I'd reduce the active daily roster by 1-2 players. Course that's not going to do much in terms of getting more people in front of TV sets. I'd have a streaming simulcast on the web with a couple of very young broadcasters making fun of old people the whole time. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:58 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: IMO baseball is 99% perfect but all the pitching changes really slow shit up. I'd reduce the active daily roster by 1-2 players. Course that's not going to do much in terms of getting more people in front of TV sets. I'd have a streaming simulcast on the web with a couple of very young broadcasters making fun of old people the whole time. My God, more old people hate. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:58 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: IMO baseball is 99% perfect but all the pitching changes really slow shit up. I'd reduce the active daily roster by 1-2 players. Course that's not going to do much in terms of getting more people in front of TV sets. I'd have a streaming simulcast on the web with a couple of very young broadcasters making fun of old people the whole time. The marketing posts are right on though. They never have known how to market their stars. Where is the Favre, Manning, Jordan, Kobe? |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:59 pm ] |
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Phil McCracken wrote: I know that this can be directly be traced to the complete awfulness of the Cubs but this is the least I have cared about baseball as a whole ever before. I can watch an NFL game not involving the Bears or an NBA game not involving the Bulls but watching a baseball game between two random teams is just agonizingly bad. We are talking Florida Panthers vs. Tampa bay Lightning levels of disinterest. Yes,My son & I say the same thing. I think most guys agree on this point. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:00 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Hatchetman wrote: IMO baseball is 99% perfect but all the pitching changes really slow shit up. I'd reduce the active daily roster by 1-2 players. Course that's not going to do much in terms of getting more people in front of TV sets. I'd have a streaming simulcast on the web with a couple of very young broadcasters making fun of old people the whole time. The marketing posts are right on though. They never have known how to market their stars. Where is the Favre, Manning, Jordan, Kobe? Exactly. They should be shoving Mike Trout, Manny Machado and all these other guys down our throat. |
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| Author: | NSJ [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:00 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: I think a real problem with todays's major leagues is the lack of black & white players. I have no problem with Latin players but a lot of them have the same surname which for the casual fan tuning in makes things confusing.
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:02 pm ] |
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Now let's not pretend Jeter, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Griffey, Ripken, et al weren't marketed well. Of course, it's tough with teams like these Cardinals, where every dude is just some white guy from Florida. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:03 pm ] |
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Powerhouse233 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Hatchetman wrote: IMO baseball is 99% perfect but all the pitching changes really slow shit up. I'd reduce the active daily roster by 1-2 players. Course that's not going to do much in terms of getting more people in front of TV sets. I'd have a streaming simulcast on the web with a couple of very young broadcasters making fun of old people the whole time. The marketing posts are right on though. They never have known how to market their stars. Where is the Favre, Manning, Jordan, Kobe? Exactly. They should be shoving Mike Trout, Manny Machado and all these other guys down our throat. More national games at times other than saturday afternoon (horrible time slot) Even going back to Griffey, they dont push enough. The whole country doesnt watch This Week in Baseball |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:04 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: It feels like a dying sport. It's kind of like Nascar to me. Apparently it's a big deal but I don't know anyone who watches it. ...said the hockey fan Has nothing to do with hockey. Hockey is an irrlevant sport in this country, no one denies that. Baseball is our past time though but it feels like it's dying. If the Cubs and Sox aren't involved, I don't know anyone who gives a shit about the sport itself. When I was a teenager (10 years ago) if I asked any of my friends if they were watching the World Series, odds are the answer was yes. Not anymore. I'm the same way. I use to be able to tell you everyone's roster, now I don't know who anyone is outside the Cubs. I love the Cubs but I don't really care about the sport. It's hard to explain, really. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Now let's not pretend Jeter, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Griffey, Ripken, et al weren't marketed well. They absolutely were not, when compared to NBA and NFL hype machines. Ripken, Sosa and McGuire were not even a product of MLB marketing. They had to challenge a legendary record to even get on the stage. Jeter and Clemens to a lesser extent were marketed well, but they all still pale in comparison to the other sports. Curious Hair wrote: Of course, it's tough with teams like these Cardinals, where every dude is just some white guy from Florida. How bout Adam Wainwright? Brian Wilson (yes, douchey, but people would have jumped on that) Even baseball Lebron, Bryce Harper, is not showing up all over the place like he should be. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm ] |
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We need a network to take pride in covering baseball. The NBC Game of the Week was a cultural institution on par with Monday Night Football or Hockey Night in Canada. Fox treats baseball like ESPN treats basketball: something they have to do when they can't be showing football. Both suffer from it. The NHL on NBC has a long way to go before it can be any damn good, but at least I can tell they treat the property with respect. When Fox started using the NFL theme music for baseball games, it was clear what they thought about baseball. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm ] |
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Hockey Gay, That is exactly how I am. I can talk Cubs,but my poor overall knowledge Of MLB has me endorsing guys like Jeff Keppinger. THERE,I said it. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm ] |
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Hockey Gay wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: It feels like a dying sport. It's kind of like Nascar to me. Apparently it's a big deal but I don't know anyone who watches it. ...said the hockey fan Has nothing to do with hockey. Hockey is an irrlevant sport in this country, no one denies that. Your statement is ironic nonetheless |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:07 pm ] |
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You can joke that it's only because they have nowhere else to go (well, actually, you can't; I just preempted it), but hockey viewership is going up. |
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| Author: | Northside_Dan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:09 pm ] |
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Less Games and Shorter Games. End of March-November now is too damn long. Make the games shorter, going on 4 hours for a regular 9 inning game is ridiculous. Whether you need to limit pitching changes, time between pitches, visits to mounds etc. TV viewers today demand a more instant gratification and the beauty of a 22 pitch at ball is lost on many. More day games. It's the most uniquely baseball thing there is. Every team should be playing more. Stop scheduling Sunday/Monday Night games. NFL is king. MLB will be 2nd place. Embrace Social Media more. They are attempting to do this with the fan cave, but it needs more. More guys on Twitter doing more than pumping their charity. Will appeal to young people, driving conversation and improve marketing. Streamline replay. I'd like the umpires to have microphones so you can hear their explanation of some borderline calls. I know this counteracts point one, but there's a middle ground to be add. I say that admitting I love baseball the way it is. The average TV viewer does not and that's an issue. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:09 pm ] |
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Yeah, hockey is great. Im cool with hockey. Baseball has lost its fanbase. Having ONE world series game during the day would probably help. |
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| Author: | Powerhouse233 [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:10 pm ] |
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I feel like baseball does a poor job of evolving with the times. It's watched by older people and it just feels like an old sport. Maybe change things up once in a while. Is Fox going to be doing baseball forever? Do we have to listen to Joe Buck's stupid ass forever? Everything in baseball feels so stagnant. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:13 pm ] |
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If baseball is on its way out the door, why are they setting new attendance records every year and why are the networks paying crazy dollars to broadcast the games. Not to mention the players contracts are not going down. |
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