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Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:38 pm ]
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I'm on board.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ro01.shtml
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:39 pm ]
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Anyone who isn't is retarded.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:39 pm ]
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Is this a debate?
Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:39 pm ]
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200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:42 pm ]
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It's turning into the Hall of Very Good anyway so why not.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:53 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?


In an era when someone wins more than 16 games in a season makes them Olympian, yes ... yes it is.

Quite a few complete games, so/bb terrific, Cy Young Strezo candidate 6 years in a row, plus those numbers are during the waning days of steroids and in the AL and for a generally shitty string of Jays teams ... he was a one-man band until he got to Philly.
Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:54 pm ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?


I an era when someone wins more than 16 games in a season makes them Olympian, yes ... yes it is.

Quite a few complete games, so/bb terrific, Cy Young Strezo candidate 6 years in a row, plus those numbers are during the waning days of steroids and in the AL and for a generally shitty string of Jays teams ... he was a one-man band until he got to Philly.

Pussification of America....
Author:  KDdidit [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:19 pm ]
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Did you even look at his PPFp or his WAAadj?

:roll:
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:23 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?

He pitched exclusively when the five-man rotation was standard. No one's getting to 300 again. Also, I bet some of those awful Blue Jays teams he was on blew quite a few wins for him.
Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:27 pm ]
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KDdidit wrote:
Did you even look at his PPFp or his WAAadj?

:roll:

You want to look at this knuckle sandwich? :x
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:29 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
No one's getting to 300 again.


I don't think that's true. It won't happen very often but a guy could have a 20-year career averaging 15 wins/year. It will happen again.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:31 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?

He pitched exclusively when the five-man rotation was standard. No one's getting to 300 again. Also, I bet some of those awful Blue Jays teams he was on blew quite a few wins for him.

Lot of pitchers can say that about being on bad teams blowing leads though. I always thought of Halladay as very good but not dominant . Doesnt cut it for me. Pedro gets in though and they're probably pretty similar stays wise without looking it up.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:55 pm ]
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Halladay was absolutely a dominant pitcher for years, but he spent many of those years on a Canadian team in the shadow of the New York-Boston arms race. He wasn't the same pitcher as Pedro Martinez, though. Halladay was great, don't get me wrong, but Pedro at his zenith was pitching some of the best baseball ever pitched.
Author:  Douchebag [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:56 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?

He pitched exclusively when the five-man rotation was standard.

So did Greg Maddux.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:20 pm ]
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I think probably but not near the slam dunk everyone says


Kevin Brown won 211 games. Dwight Goiden won 194
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:17 am ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
No one's getting to 300 again.


I don't think that's true. It won't happen very often but a guy could have a 20-year career averaging 15 wins/year. It will happen again.
Still going to be very very tough. We may be lucky enough to see ONE 300game winner again. Maybe. Starters go 6 innings now and bullpens blow games way more often than the late 80s/early 90s when Maddux, Glavine, etc got to the big leauges.

Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:21 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.

HOF'er
Author:  Keyser Soze [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:32 am ]
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CC Biggins will have a shot at 300. He's 33 years old and has 205 career wins. He has to average 13.5 wins for the next 7 years to get there. I think he can do that and playing on the Yankees for at least the next 3-4 years won't hurt either.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:35 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
No one's getting to 300 again.


I don't think that's true. It won't happen very often but a guy could have a 20-year career averaging 15 wins/year. It will happen again.
Still going to be very very tough. We may be lucky enough to see ONE 300game winner again. Maybe. Starters go 6 innings now and bullpens blow games way more often than the late 80s/early 90s when Maddux, Glavine, etc got to the big leauges.

Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.


Mark Buehrle is a good pitcher but I'm talking about a guy like Maddux. There will be dominant pitchers that come along at age 20 and just have great 20-year careers. It will happen again. I don't think I see that guy right now so it will be quite sometime before we see it.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:37 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.

HOF'er
I didn't say or insinuate that. I was just pointing out how hard its going to be to get to 300 wins when you average 14-16 wins a season.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:39 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.

HOF'er
I didn't say or insinuate that. I was just pointing out how hard its going to be to get to 300 wins when you average 14-16 wins a season.


But Buehrle is doing it by actually getting 15 wins through his prime years. The guy to do it will have runs of 18-20 win seasons for at least 5 years and then settling in at around 15 for a long time.
Author:  Chus [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:48 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think probably but not near the slam dunk everyone says


Kevin Brown won 211 games. Dwight Goiden won 194


Mussina has 270 wins.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:19 pm ]
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No disrespect to Roy Halladay, but Andy Pettitte definitely should be in the Hall of Fame before Roy Halladay would get in.
Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:50 pm ]
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stoneroses86 wrote:
No disrespect to Roy Halladay, but Andy Pettitte definitely should be in the Hall of Fame before Roy Halladay would get in.

Roids. Next.
Author:  Hawg Ass [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:13 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
No disrespect to Roy Halladay, but Andy Pettitte definitely should be in the Hall of Fame before Roy Halladay would get in.

Roids. Next.

Yep, you let one in, they all have to go. I am ok with that, but it is going to be interesting how some of these guys situations are handled.
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:38 pm ]
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Sorry, not a HOF'er.
Author:  Dallas Winston [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:51 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
but Pedro at his zenith was pitching some of the best baseball ever pitched.


Yup!
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:59 pm ]
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Dallas Winston wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
but Pedro at his zenith was pitching some of the best baseball ever pitched.


Yup!

He had help...
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:18 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
stoneroses86 wrote:
No disrespect to Roy Halladay, but Andy Pettitte definitely should be in the Hall of Fame before Roy Halladay would get in.
Roids. Next.
Maybe it's Maybelline..
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