I would like to hear the reasoning from the guys who did NOT put Glavine or Big Hurt on their ballots.

Glad to see Maddux with 100% so far.

I would like to hear the reasoning from the guys who did NOT put Glavine or Big Hurt on their ballots.

Bagwell always struck me as a very good player but not hall of fame worthy. It may be the steroid thing creeping in. Biggio broke 3,000 hits and almost hit 300 HR's at 2B. Bags nearly hit .300 and about 450 HR's, but he played 1B. I think the standards for those positions are different in terms of historical comparisons.

I find the disparity between Piazza and Bonds shocking. If we're keeping roiders out, Piazza should never get close. So obviously, for some guys it's not really about the juice. It has to be something else.

If we're going on numbers alone, Bagwell ain't much different than Thomas. People just don't believe it was "real".

If we're going on numbers alone, Bagwell ain't much different than Thomas. People just don't believe it was "real".

Also, I believe that Bagwell is being penalized for his muscular build. I would bet anything Biggio roided up with the best of em. But he didnt grow to superhuman size, so people forgive him

JORR, I also lean toward keeping guys out for the sole reason for it should be for the best of the best. The more borderline guys you let in, the less of an honor it is to be a member of the HOF.

I'm with you. And I'm not punishing Bonds and Clemens. I believe they were great players. They belong in Cooperstown. But I can't put Sosa, Palmiero, and these other douchebags in.

The Evil Red C


What if Clemens was taking Roids all along?

Coors Field is a big deal. Just look at the splits for guys like Walker, Helton, Bichete, Burks and Castilla.

I don't consider Palmiero a Cub.

What if Bonds was? I'm just telling you how I see the players. I think Clemens and Bonds were great. Palmiero was never better than Will Clark at any level ever. But he's the Hall of Famer? No way.

Larry Walker is a forgotten guy, way down on that list. He definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame on his numbers. Talk about a complete player. He was an elite outfielder. And his numbers are only slightly less than Mickey Mantle's and Mantle might be the greatest player ever. Colorado and suspicion are keeping Larry down.

Wasn't Walker the guy who routinely took days off when the Rockies faced Randy Johnson?
I think I recall him saying that his team had a smaller chance of success with him in the lineup because he hit so poorly against Johnson. Well, who could have replaced him that could hit Johnson any better? If this happened the way I remember it, I could never put a guy like that in the Hall.

I am not knocking Frank Thomas, but when, exactly did Ted Williams fill the DH role?
He was the greatest all around hitter in the history of the game and played every inning in the field.