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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Jim Fregosi suffers stroke, brings up question |
First of all I hope he's alright, he was on a cruise  Hawk has been known to call Fregosi "the greatest baseball mind there is" Who is the greatest baseball mind? So far in my office we've come up with John Schuerholz (mine), Greg Maddux and Joe Torre |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:38 am ] |
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Living only, or are the deceased included? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:40 am ] |
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Joe Sheehan 
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:41 am ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Living only, or are the deceased included? Its a pretty broad question as it is, might as well include the dead guys |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:44 am ] |
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Joe Cowley |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:44 am ] |
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Oney one choice if you ask me.
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:53 am ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Joe Cowley LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUkemia. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:55 am ] |
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Only 2 managers to win the World Series in both leagues:    
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:01 am ] |
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Players:    http://www.fangraphs.com/not/a-dozen-mo ... henderson/ |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:02 am ] |
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Peyton Manning. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:03 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Who is the greatest baseball mind? Every single Cubs fan wrote: Theo!
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:05 am ] |
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A "great baseball mind" is a paradox. The cool thing about baseball is that nobody can figure it out. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:06 am ] |
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Earl Weaver |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:08 am ] |
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Bill James |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:11 am ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Bill James ho ho ho....now we'll have some yelling |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:13 am ] |
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RFDC wrote: Earl Weaver http://youtu.be/kl-4FSRYagc] Quote: Weaver: "I'm gonna be in the Hall of Fame." Ump: "You're gonna be in the Hall of Fame?" Weaver: "You know it!" Ump: "For what, fucking up World Series?"  
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| Author: | cpguy [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:13 am ] |
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| Author: | Zizou [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:17 am ] |
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False narrative. The collective minds of fangraphs and baseball prospectus are the answer, you dumb goober. Fregosi is a mouthbreather, a troglodyte that should be cast into the outer darkness with the detritus of old school baseball minds. I think you are living too close to I-80, rpb. |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:24 am ] |
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Zizou wrote: I think you are living too close to I-80, rpb.  Torre, Leyland, La Russa...best managers of the last generation. Leyland should've won with those stacked early 90's Pirate teams and again with the Tigers team of the last decade. LaRussa would've walked Ortiz in game 2 of the 2013 ALCS with a 4 run lead and two outs in the 8th/4 outs from going up 2-0 against the Red Sox in their own park. LaRussa would've also had a reliable closer, seeing as he pioneered the whole closing pitcher thing, iirc. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:46 am ] |
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LaRussa would be my pick for manager, but Im taking player evaluation into consideration. Schuerholz built two great organizations |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:49 am ] |
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I loved LaRussa while he was in St. Louis, but his name should have been removed from the "greatest mind" discussion when he decided to bat the pitcher 8th...on two separate occasions...for a sizable chunk of the season. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:50 am ] |
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lipidquadcab wrote: I loved LaRussa while he was in St. Louis, but his name should have been removed from the "greatest mind" discussion when he decided to bat the pitcher 8th...on two separate occasions...for a sizable chunk of the season. What year was that? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:51 am ] |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Rickey |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:51 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: I loved LaRussa while he was in St. Louis, but his name should have been removed from the "greatest mind" discussion when he decided to bat the pitcher 8th...on two separate occasions...for a sizable chunk of the season. What year was that? I'll have to do some digging but 2002 sticks in my head as one of them... |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:51 am ] |
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lipidquadcab wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: I loved LaRussa while he was in St. Louis, but his name should have been removed from the "greatest mind" discussion when he decided to bat the pitcher 8th...on two separate occasions...for a sizable chunk of the season. What year was that? I'll have to do some digging but 2002 sticks in my head as one of them... Just making sure it wasnt 06 or 11 |
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| Author: | NearWessSideHussra [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:52 am ] |
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It was 2011. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:52 am ] |
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Bobby Cox |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:52 am ] |
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Off by a few years... http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/tony-la-russa-and-the-logic-behind-the-lineup/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 Few other managers have adopted La Russa’s strategy, which he used in 1998 and 1999 and resumed extensively in 2007. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, since the start of the 2007 season, La Russa has batted the pitcher eighth in 312 games. Other managers have been nowhere close: John Russell (50 times) Ned Yost (42) Ken Macha (12) Joe Torre (8) Bud Black (3) Bruce Bochy (1) Trey Hillman (1) Bob Melvin (1) |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:53 am ] |
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And that article was from 2010...so he did it for at least 3 stretches...
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:55 am ] |
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NearWessSideHussra wrote: It was 2011. I don't remember him doing it that year...if he did it wasn't for a stretch of time... |
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