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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Elbow surgery. Even when you baby these dudes, shit happens. Not another one. Not this one. Not Jose Fernandez, the best young pitcher in Major League Baseball. Results of an MRI performed Monday on Fernandez in Los Angeles aren't yet known, but the early signs are discouraging: The Miami Marlins say Fernandez has a sprained right elbow. A sprain of any kind is a tear, and a torn ulnar collateral ligament usually means Tommy John elbow ligament replacement surgery. If he goes under the knife, Fernandez would be at least the 34th player in the majors and minors to have Tommy John since Feb. 18. That, notes Yahoo Sports columnist Jeff Passan, is 2.5 every day. Fernandez told the Marlins he was feeling discomfort Friday during his most recent start against the Padres. His velocity showed a noticeable drop as that game continued, going from 96.2 mph in the fourth inning to 90.0 in the fifth and 91.2 the sixth. He also threw up in the dugout, reportedly, before the game. It's a terrible injury for any player, but the loss of Fernandez would be a huge blow to the improving Marlins, who came in 20-18 and in second place in the NL East after losing an average of 94 games the past three seasons. Losing Fernandez also continues an alarming trend that's becoming all too common in the majors: unhealthy elbow. Still, an injury to the elbow can be repaired more easily than one to the shoulder, history has shown. In addition to the players currently recovering from Tommy John, Fernandez would join Matt Harvey of the Mets and Stephen Strasburg of the Nationals as elite young arms of the moment who have had the surgery early in their careers since 2010. Fernandez doesn't turn 22 until July 31, but he's already demonstrated that he's at least as good as any pitcher throwing currently. Fernandez leads the National League in strikeouts and has posted 2.44 ERA in eight starts so far. Through his first 36 starts in the majors, Fernandez is 16-8 with a 2.44 ERA and 257 strikeouts in 224 1/3 innings. As a rookie, he led the NL in fewest hits allowed per nine innings. Other than Clayton Kershaw, it's hard to say there's another pitcher in the majors a team would rather start with than Fernandez. His next move is to see the Marlins team doctors, who will examine Fernandez and his MRI readings. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Another guy with 60% more stress on his elbow. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Keyser Soze wrote: Another guy with 60% more stress on his elbow. Not anymore. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:36 pm ] |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon May 12, 2014 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
dude posted Ks faster than Jose Hernandez. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I would say he was the opposite of babied. Didn't marlins call him up at 19 and ride him like a mule? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
last year he usually didn't even throw 100 pitches, topping out once at 109. last week he threw 7 innings and a career high 114 pitches. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Keyser Soze wrote: Another guy with 60% more stress on his elbow. Maybe Jose could have had a minor strain and sat out for a month, for no reason being a Minor strain. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:46 pm ] |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Quote: Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Jose Fernandez never threw more than 114 pitches in any of his 36 starts; only 172 2/3 innings last year, before he was shut down Sept. 11. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon May 12, 2014 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I stand corrected. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
He has a violent motion on the curve Apparently they tried to change his motion and Ozzie Guillen stepped in and said to let him throw how he throws, if he's gonna get injured its gonna happen regardless. Why did he agree to that commercial where Harper takes him deep? I guess he still needs money but that's bullshit |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I predict that Jose Fernandez plays baseball again at some point in his life. I can't wait to bump this thread when he does. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
He'll return before Derrick Rose |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
rogers park bryan wrote: Why did he agree to that commercial where Harper takes him deep? I guess he still needs money but that's bullshit He's part of the Harper-Baseball-Industrial Complex that is designed to make people believe Harper is actually good. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Why did he agree to that commercial where Harper takes him deep? I guess he still needs money but that's bullshit He's part of the Harper-Baseball-Industrial Complex that is designed to make people believe Harper is actually good. Harper is good. He's just not great...yet. Ill always be a fan simply because of the balls it took to test out of high school to follow baseball. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:37 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Why did he agree to that commercial where Harper takes him deep? I guess he still needs money but that's bullshit He's part of the Harper-Baseball-Industrial Complex that is designed to make people believe Harper is actually good. Harper is good. He's just not great...yet. Ill always be a fan simply because of the balls it took to test out of high school to follow baseball. I know he's your guy. I just don't think he's any better than Jayson Werth. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue May 13, 2014 7:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Why did he agree to that commercial where Harper takes him deep? I guess he still needs money but that's bullshit He's part of the Harper-Baseball-Industrial Complex that is designed to make people believe Harper is actually good. Harper is good. He's just not great...yet. Ill always be a fan simply because of the balls it took to test out of high school to follow baseball. I know he's your guy. I just don't think he's any better than Jayson Werth. Right, he's as good as Werth right now. He's still only 21 and he put up an 854 OPS last year. I think he'll eventually harness it all and have a few ridiculous seasons |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 13, 2014 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
We constantly hear about the concussion prevention and things like that in youth football, when is MLB going to step up and do something about kids throwing breaking balls at 10, 11, and 12 years old? That is likely what is causing this. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
what was high school baseball like back in the 50s-60s? Did they pitch 2X/week and 100 or so innings in a year? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Frank Coztansa wrote: We constantly hear about the concussion prevention and things like that in youth football, when is MLB going to step up and do something about kids throwing breaking balls at 10, 11, and 12 years old? That is likely what is causing this. Well, concussions are brain damage and can lead to death but please tweet this @ Bernstein Its not throwing curve balls young, its throwing anything like that at anytime. Its an unnatural motion to begin with, now youre twisting it even worse. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer ... hn-surgery Article on parents who want their kids to have the surgery even when they dont need it. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I don't think anyone is sure why guys get hurt. One thing I'll say about the 40s and 50s is a lot more guys played. And no one was counting pitches. Organizations had many minor league teams. I would guess it sorted out the guys that got hurt. It may have been a war of attrition to some degree. The guys who made it to the big leagues were probably the guys who could take the work. A guy like Bob Feller may have been a freak, but I would guess he threw a shitload of innings as a kid growing up and he never got hurt. I've heard the argument that guys throw nastier pitches nowadays. Absolutely untrue. Nobody really throws shit like a screwball anymore. See if you can find a picture of Carl Hubbell's arm online. The lunatic Mike Marshall had a school where he taught a weird delivery that he claimed wouldn't get guys hurt. I don't think any of his students made the majors though. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Hatchetman wrote: what was high school baseball like back in the 50s-60s? Did they pitch 2X/week and 100 or so innings in a year? Most of these kids pitch year round in showcases and travel ball. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
conns7901 wrote: Hatchetman wrote: what was high school baseball like back in the 50s-60s? Did they pitch 2X/week and 100 or so innings in a year? Most of these kids pitch year round in showcases and travel ball. True, but there are all kinds of limits on innings. I would suspect that in 1960 if you had a stud pitcher, he might go six innings three or four days in a row. I don't think that's happening now. And these dads with big league dreams aren't likely to allow it even if the league rules did or a kid was in multiple leagues. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Those parents are fucking idiots. Tommy John is a nasty painful surgery and those dopes want to put their Kids thru it because they think replacing a ligament in their elbow will make them throw a baseball harder. It's absolutely disgusting. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I'm banning my kids from playing or watching baseball. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue May 13, 2014 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
I think the elephant in the room is PEDs, although I'm sure everyone will scoff. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue May 13, 2014 11:02 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: I'm banning my kids from playing or watching baseball. I hope you'll at least let them watch the draft. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Thu May 15, 2014 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jose Fernandez….he gone |
Add Martin Perez to the rapidly growing list of pitchers with 60% more stress on their elbow. |
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