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Don't you think he's right though? The commissioner works for the owners. In the time of Kenesaw Mountain Landis the commissioner was all powerful and held sway over the owners, the players, and everything else associated with MLB. That isn't the case today. It hasn't been since the advent of the player's union.

Point of order, Bud Selig ran the Brewers with some pretty high standards in the '70s and '80s. It was his daughter and his son-in-law that ran the ship aground in the '90s.

He sees the big TV deals and he knows one is coming to Chicago and it's not for him.

Maybe, but the fact is that the modern commissioner is basically a league's CEO.

The commissioner has one job, make the owners and players the most amount of money.

I think the first half of that is correct. If the owners and their commissioner could get away with paying the players nothing, they would. The commissioner's real goal is to pay the players just enough to keep the money train rolling with no work stoppages.

How would you pick a commissioner? A fan vote? Appointed by the President?

The owners pick a commissioner. Jerry is a powerful owner so he is going to get a lot of input into the matter and a lot of people are allies with him who probably have similar interests.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

With Selig gone doesn't a considerable amount of "power" erode?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I guess that is true for baseball. In other sports, player pay is a percentage of total money earned.

Still, you'd have to imagine that if the goal was to pay the players the least amount in baseball, some sort of salary cap would have been put in.

I think the major difference there is the strength of the MLB player's union. NFL players allow their union to be run by their own guys who are probably suffering from CTE and thus enter into bad CBAs.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I don't think it's so much the strength of the union, but the strength of the guys on both sides of the ownership spectrum. Those who want to pay huge amounts of money, and those who want to pay almost nothing are pretty closely aligned in baseball. Both make lots of money for the same reasons.

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

With Selig gone doesn't a considerable amount of "power" erode?

If he is as powerful as some say, he has a lot of important relationships throughout baseball.

I'm so glad he didn't get to infect the NHL like he wanted to.

I am just disappointed Biggie couldn't reply in the thread I had started about this.

Hawg Ass wrote:

I am just disappointed Biggie couldn't reply in the thread I had started about this.

I was unaware, please direct us to the thread.

Author:	bigfan [ Mon May 26, 2014 6:55 am ]
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For anyone whoever claimed Jerry didnt come as close to running MLB as one could possibly do, now he is trying to stop Rob Manfred from becoming the new commish. Jerry believes the 30 owners should be able to select the new commish. So the guy who has been baseballs COO , a Lawyer, graduated from Harvard and Cornell, not good enough for Jerry? There isn't anyone close to as qualified as the guy who has been the COO for 12 years. Yet, the former used car salesman, who ran the brewers like a local softball team was a good hire for Jerry, because he was a pawn for Jerry and Manfred wont be. “What I have said about Rob is none of your business,” Mr. Reinsdorf said in a telephone interview, interjecting an expletive. Mr. Reinsdorf said he “had never said a bad word about Bud,” who he said “was the game’s best commissioner.” But he said that he believed that the owners — not Mr. Selig — should be in charge of picking the next one.

Author:	Rod [ Mon May 26, 2014 8:27 am ]
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Don't you think he's right though? The commissioner works for the owners. In the time of Kenesaw Mountain Landis the commissioner was all powerful and held sway over the owners, the players, and everything else associated with MLB. That isn't the case today. It hasn't been since the advent of the player's union.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon May 26, 2014 8:44 am ]
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Point of order, Bud Selig ran the Brewers with some pretty high standards in the '70s and '80s. It was his daughter and his son-in-law that ran the ship aground in the '90s.

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Mon May 26, 2014 8:48 am ]
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Jerry's pick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQueOpYz11s&feature=player_embedded

Author:	bigfan [ Mon May 26, 2014 11:05 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Don't you think he's right though? The commissioner works for the owners. In the time of Kenesaw Mountain Landis the commissioner was all powerful and held sway over the owners, the players, and everything else associated with MLB. That isn't the case today. It hasn't been since the advent of the player's union. IN theory, the commish should not work for the owners. I think we are seeing that now in the NBA. The commish should have the power to do what is right for the game. That does include Jerry making a profit. Of course the owners should vote on the proposal by Bud. But to be honest I dont think Jerry gives a shit who is the commish, as long as they listen to him and they continue to try and keep spending under control, because thats all he cares about. He sees the big TV deals and he knows one is coming to Chicago and it's not for him. You can tell me he doesnt try and angle everything for his club that he does for MLB, but the absolute NO to Cuban, the changes to the International Cap, the Draft cap, remember Jerry trying to get the ISFA to buy Wrigley...ughhh...or even promoting Ricketts over some much more qualified Cubs buyers....It's always an alterior motive and thus when I see that person picking the new baseball commish, yes, I question it.

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Author:	bigfan [ Mon May 26, 2014 11:06 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Point of order, Bud Selig ran the Brewers with some pretty high standards in the '70s and '80s. It was his daughter and his son-in-law that ran the ship aground in the '90s. Are you kidding me? They played in a softball field and it wasn't even mostly his money. That place was a drunken ball room party.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon May 26, 2014 11:12 am ]
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County Stadium wasn't really better or worse than most ballparks of its time. In fact, I'd rank it ahead of dumps like the Kingdome and Olympic Stadium by sheer dint of being open-air and natural grass. It was also built for baseball, more than can be said for the concrete donuts. And I know the Brewers have a reputation as a crappy franchise, most of which is their own doing by sucking through the '90s and half of the 2000s and dwelling on '82 like it's the only season they've ever had, but they were a well-run organization for a while. Selig was just in way over his head as commissioner.

Author:	Rod [ Mon May 26, 2014 11:18 am ]
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bigfan wrote: He sees the big TV deals and he knows one is coming to Chicago and it's not for him. It's difficult to say how it's all going to play out, how a Cub Tv deal will work, what happens with Comcast and the rates, etc. But I'll just take a wild guess that Jerry with the Sox and Bulls and a strong alliance with Rocky Wirtz will somehow come out smelling like a rose.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon May 26, 2014 11:30 am ]
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It's interesting that you mention Rocky Wirtz (and by extension, the Blackhawks), because they're a big part of this. People seem to assume that the McDonough relationship would bring the Hawks over to the new channel for winter programming (because honestly, with everything else spoken for, what the fuck else would they show for six months?) and that it would be just peachy, freeing up CSN nights for the Bulls and getting them off the overflow or channel 26. Incidentally, I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed that the Bulls were getting kicked to the overflow feed much more often than the Hawks were this year. But Wirtz and Reinsdorf are in together on the United Center, they're trying to develop the area and get new practice facilities (Bulls got theirs, Hawks working on theirs) around it. It would make no sense to mess around with TV rights.

Author:	312player [ Mon May 26, 2014 12:26 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Don't you think he's right though? The commissioner works for the owners. In the time of Kenesaw Mountain Landis the commissioner was all powerful and held sway over the owners, the players, and everything else associated with MLB. That isn't the case today. It hasn't been since the advent of the player's union. The commish should not be working for the owners , that's a recipe for disaster and bad for the game.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon May 26, 2014 1:59 pm ]
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Maybe, but the fact is that the modern commissioner is basically a league's CEO.

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Mon May 26, 2014 4:15 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Maybe, but the fact is that the modern commissioner is basically a league's CEO. Or the baseball owners lapdog.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon May 26, 2014 4:43 pm ]
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This one is, yes, but the job doesn't ahve to be. Stern and Bettman both did a lot of marshaling of their owners/bosses.

Author:	Brick [ Tue May 27, 2014 6:05 am ]
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How would you pick a commissioner? A fan vote? Appointed by the President? The owners pick a commissioner. Jerry is a powerful owner so he is going to get a lot of input into the matter and a lot of people are allies with him who probably have similar interests. The commissioner has one job, make the owners and players the most amount of money. That is why for all the complaining about Goodell the owners and players both fully support him. He's growing the paychecks of everyone. Jerry will pick someone who will do the same, and also screw over the Cubs right?

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Author:	Rod [ Tue May 27, 2014 6:23 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: The commissioner has one job, make the owners and players the most amount of money. I think the first half of that is correct. If the owners and their commissioner could get away with paying the players nothing, they would. The commissioner's real goal is to pay the players just enough to keep the money train rolling with no work stoppages. The players have their own "commissioner" in the head of the player's union. His job is to make the most money for the players. And his real goal is for the owners to make just enough (or not lose so much) that the league does not contract.

Author:	Brick [ Tue May 27, 2014 6:28 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I think the first half of that is correct. If the owners and their commissioner could get away with paying the players nothing, they would. The commissioner's real goal is to pay the players just enough to keep the money train rolling with no work stoppages. I guess that is true for baseball. In other sports, player pay is a percentage of total money earned. Still, you'd have to imagine that if the goal was to pay the players the least amount in baseball, some sort of salary cap would have been put in.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Tue May 27, 2014 6:30 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: How would you pick a commissioner? A fan vote? Appointed by the President? The owners pick a commissioner. Jerry is a powerful owner so he is going to get a lot of input into the matter and a lot of people are allies with him who probably have similar interests. With Selig gone doesn't a considerable amount of "power" erode?

Author:	Brick [ Tue May 27, 2014 6:37 am ]
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Kirkwood wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: How would you pick a commissioner? A fan vote? Appointed by the President? The owners pick a commissioner. Jerry is a powerful owner so he is going to get a lot of input into the matter and a lot of people are allies with him who probably have similar interests. With Selig gone doesn't a considerable amount of "power" erode? If he is as powerful as some say, he has a lot of important relationships throughout baseball.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:36 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I think the first half of that is correct. If the owners and their commissioner could get away with paying the players nothing, they would. The commissioner's real goal is to pay the players just enough to keep the money train rolling with no work stoppages. I guess that is true for baseball. In other sports, player pay is a percentage of total money earned. Still, you'd have to imagine that if the goal was to pay the players the least amount in baseball, some sort of salary cap would have been put in. I think the major difference there is the strength of the MLB player's union. NFL players allow their union to be run by their own guys who are probably suffering from CTE and thus enter into bad CBAs.

Author:	Brick [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:42 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I think the major difference there is the strength of the MLB player's union. NFL players allow their union to be run by their own guys who are probably suffering from CTE and thus enter into bad CBAs. I don't think it's so much the strength of the union, but the strength of the guys on both sides of the ownership spectrum. Those who want to pay huge amounts of money, and those who want to pay almost nothing are pretty closely aligned in baseball. Both make lots of money for the same reasons.

Author:	Rod [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:48 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I think the major difference there is the strength of the MLB player's union. NFL players allow their union to be run by their own guys who are probably suffering from CTE and thus enter into bad CBAs. I don't think it's so much the strength of the union, but the strength of the guys on both sides of the ownership spectrum. Those who want to pay huge amounts of money, and those who want to pay almost nothing are pretty closely aligned in baseball. Both make lots of money for the same reasons. I don't really think that's true. I just think the small market owners allow themselves to be intimidated by the Reinsdorfs and the Steinbrenners. Bill James has written about the competitive imbalances based on local television deals. But the Yankees can't get paid for a game in which no other team is playing. The logical answer is to split the TV money between the two teams that play each game. Obviously, the Dodgers and Yankees would still get more money since they would receive half of a bigger pie, but it would even things out a whole lot and eliminate any need for an arbitrary and un-American salary cap.

Author:	Brick [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:50 am ]
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If the small market owners didn't like the setup, they'd get it changed. The only thing they seemed to fear was a salary floor.

Author:	bigfan [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: How would you pick a commissioner? A fan vote? Appointed by the President? The owners pick a commissioner. Jerry is a powerful owner so he is going to get a lot of input into the matter and a lot of people are allies with him who probably have similar interests. With Selig gone doesn't a considerable amount of "power" erode? If he is as powerful as some say, he has a lot of important relationships throughout baseball. Jerry is chairman of the new owners committee, so basically if Jerry doesnt like you, you are out. SEE Marc Cuban. Thus, when you buy a team or relocate a team, Jerry needs to rubber stamp it. So, from the get go, you owe jerry a favor if he suggests you would be a solid owner. I know some here scoff as the idea that Jerry does things that might be surpress the Cubs, but just having him review the potential owners for the cubs, was a massive conflict of interests. Of course, his suggestions that the ISFA buy Wrigley, or his self admitted desire to create a draft cap, then an international draft cap for years, that just happen to all come through when Theo started to abuse the existing system, these all just happen to coincide. But who would think he does things to screw with the Cubs, that would be crazy. Some might even say allowing the 42 year old kid whose Daddy has $2 Bill and tommy has zero experience in running anything close to an event/sports/entertainment/facility type of gig alone might not have been the best person/ownership group for the Cubs to truely flourish. Some here might even have stories of Jerry running other potential, but more than capable, owners out of the game, because he didnt like them.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Tue May 27, 2014 9:58 pm ]
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I'm so glad he didn't get to infect the NHL like he wanted to.

Author:	bigfan [ Tue May 27, 2014 10:20 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: I'm so glad he didn't get to infect the NHL like he wanted to. The public attempts of undermining issues and people are only compounded by those that dont see the light of day. Hey, but when you pay Jay Williams after he crashes a bike, when you pay for Bill Cartwrights surgery, when you give Randy Brown a job when he was broke, all the good deeds outweigh the bad ones and it's all ok then, in his book. Pretty much the same book Donald Sterling uses.

Author:	bigfan [ Wed May 28, 2014 5:30 pm ]
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asked some REALLY SMART PEOPLE today about this issue and there really isn't an issue that Manfred differs from Jerry in his opinion. Jerry just wants to keep his power. Nothing more. He wants to select to the next commish. He wants the new commish to know that Jerry said it was OK. Jerry of course is chairing the committee now to find the new commissoner, with the Phillies owner. lol

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Thu May 29, 2014 10:08 am ]
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I am just disappointed Biggie couldn't reply in the thread I had started about this.

Author:	bigfan [ Thu May 29, 2014 10:15 am ]
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Hawg Ass wrote: I am just disappointed Biggie couldn't reply in the thread I had started about this. I was unaware, please direct us to the thread.

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Thu May 29, 2014 10:26 am ]
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bigfan wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: I am just disappointed Biggie couldn't reply in the thread I had started about this. I was unaware, please direct us to the thread. viewtopic.php?f=92&t=87030

Author:	bigfan [ Thu May 29, 2014 10:57 am ]
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Yup, Hawg had it. I am just glad some in the media are getting to the heart of the issue is that Jerry doesnt want to lose power as he really has no issues with Manfred's methodology on the issues. Manfred probably is the only person who is as well versed on the labor issues as Jerry, maybe even more so and the bottom line is that Jerry isn't liking the fact a smarter guy might be stepping into the role of leader.