PR release from the Red Sox.
Red Sox organization trashes everyone on the way out the door. Heck, Francona won em 2 World Series championships and they called him a pill-head on the way out.
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
Tough titty Boston. To quote Stone Pony, when you hire Frankenstein, don't be surprised when he wrecks the village. From WEEI, Rob Bradford. It had a really good chance of being bad when it started. By the end, it was worse than anybody could have expected. When the Red Sox designated A.J. Pierzynski for assignment Wednesday, there were multiple factors identified by both Red Sox manager John Farrell and general manager Ben Cherington. In a nutshell, the catcher didn't hit like they thought he would, and with the Sox not winning, it became evident the time had come to give Christian Vazquez a try behind the plate. But it was so much more than that. According to multiple sources within the Red Sox clubhouse, Pierzynski had become such a negative influence on the team that players approached both the Sox coaches and front office to address the problem. The common theme expressed was the catcher's seeming indifference toward his teammates and the common goals of the same organization that had relied on an all-for-one approach when winning the 2013 World Series. A microcosm of Pierzynski's approach was mentioned by more than one of the backstop's former teammates, who revealed his propensity to spend a significant amount of time looking at his phone while at his locker during games. In one instance, after a particularly rough outing in which the starting pitcher had been pulled early in the game, Pierzynski could be found staring at his phone while the pitcher gave off the appearance of being an emotional wreck just a few feet away. That incident paved the way for at least one complaint to management from a teammate. The frustrations with Pierzynski among the Red Sox grew with the catcher's indifference toward the perceived needs of the club. While it was understood that former Sox catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia had some flaws in his game, it was noted in multiple corners of the clubhouse that the difference between the current Marlins backstop and Pierzynski was that Saltalamacchia was invested in his pitchers' successes and failures, whereas Pierzynski had limited interest in branching out beyond himself. It should be noted that one player can't be defined as the downfall of this Red Sox team to date, but it was tough to ignore the voices throughout the home clubhouse in the aftermath of the team's 5-4 walkoff victory over the White Sox, which described an entirely different dugout environment than there had been up through Tuesday. Over the course of a season, there are few times such proclamations are made, but this was unmistakably one of those rarities. The Red Sox might rattle off 10 straight losses, leading to many of the same players who were celebrating Wednesday's win being shipped out of town. But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that this one player was identified as a dark cloud that had just been lifted by multiple members of what is perceived as one of baseball's most tight-knit groups. This was a square peg in a round hole to begin with. The Red Sox viewed signing Pierzynski as an opportunity to fill a one-year gap with a player who might approach Saltalamacchia's offensive production from the left side at what would be nearly half the cost of a $14 million qualifying offer. The narrative included a history of winning, making contact (which the lineup seemingly needed) and having a solid throwing arm that might help limit opponents' running games. Sure, there were red flags. He was viewed as a subpar receiver of the baseball. The Red Sox' preferred approach at the plate would be nowhere to be found, with Pierzynski swinging at anything and everything. And then there was that occasionally abrasive attitude. No worries. The Red Sox were confident the veteran pitching staff could deal with the catcher's weaknesses behind the plate. Perhaps the lack of patience would dissipate after he watched those around him. And that personality? The Sox clubhouse would be strong enough to mold the 37-year-old, instead of the other way around. Cherington did his due diligence, calling various players on the Red Sox to pick their brains regarding Pierzynski, ultimately relaying along the way that any misstep would be on him. Saltalamacchia would require a longer-term deal than the Sox were comfortable with, as would the Sox' first choice, Carlos Ruiz, who ultimately inked a three-year, $26 million deal with Philadelphia. The longtime White Sox catcher, who turned down a two-year deal with the Twins, was deemed good enough, leading to the highest annual average contract of his 17-year career -- one year, $8.25 million. Tuesday, however, the general manager stood in front of the assembled media at Fenway Park and offered a reminder that this was, indeed, on him. It became obvious to those in the clubhouse fairly early on that this might be an oil-and-water situation. Pierzynski's personality wasn't conducive to the Red Sox' way of doing things, saying what he wanted when he wanted without much regard for the greater good. From the dugout, he would yell across the field at the opposition, or ridicule umpires during replay challenges. It made many cringe. This wasn't the Red Sox way, the one that a World Series run had been built on. And those flaws in his game that the Red Sox felt could be managed were becoming unmanageable. Pitchers started to express their preference to pitch to David Ross, with Pierzynski perhaps the team's worst receiving catcher since Javy Lopez swept through town in 2006. He also made little effort to fall in line with the rest of the lineup in regard to seeing at least a few pitches, a frustration that came to a head when he grounded into an inning-ending double play on a first-pitch fastball after the Red Sox had loaded the bases with three walks in Seattle. But the Red Sox couldn't hit, and Pierzynski at least represented an opportunity for some offense. Wednesday, it was deemed that dynamic wasn't worth keeping him around. Prior to the Sox' win, a group of about six or so players gathered over by where Pierzynski's locker used to be, including a few position players. Later, one of the participants revealed it was the first time this year that he had hung out over in the corner, where the lockers of Ross, Jake Peavy and Jon Lester also resided. Listening to voices throughout the room, it was clear the catcher's exit had opened previously closed doors in that room. While some murmurs of these issues had circulated throughout the season (surfacing a bit in an article written by the Herald's John Tomase), the Red Sox players were trying to put on a good face in regard to Pierzynski's presence all the way up until he was designated for assignment. But after the team's latest turnover, the time had come to take stock of what was an experience unlike something many veterans had ever dealt with. It's over. But, judging by voices heard Wednesday night, it's probably something that should have never started in the first place. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
In other news, water is wet. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
lot of pussies in baseball I guess. kind of pathetic really. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
Bernsie wrote: There is no such thing as chemistry.
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| Author: | Hussra [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
PR release from the Red Sox. Red Sox organization trashes everyone on the way out the door. Heck, Francona won em 2 World Series championships and they called him a pill-head on the way out.
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
Kenny thought he was a prick too and didn't want him...I think the exact quote was "he isn't a good fit on our system" |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:23 am ] |
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bigfan wrote: Kenny thought he was a prick too and didn't want him...I think the exact quote was "he isn't a good fit on our system" Let's see some proof of that.
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Here's a shock, AJ's teammates didn't like him |
Everyone knows A.J. is a complete fucking douche. He had a good situation with the Sox. For most of the time he had Ozzie to keep him in line. I appreciate Ozzie more now that he's gone than I ever did when he was managing. Ozzie wasn't a guy to fuck with. If you did fuck with him you got shipped out to New York for a couple AA pitchers and Wilson Betemit. And when Ozzie was gone, Konerko was still there. Everybody respects Konerko so much, including A.J. Not that Konerko has ever been a super vocal leader, but I don't think it would have taken much more than a "knock it off, A.J." from Paul to keep Pierzynski in line. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:40 am ] |
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The BoSox sound like a group raised on juice boxes & snacks after every game, with a real need for their participation trophies each June. Poor suburban babies   And BF, I'll go one farther. I heard that when AJ turned into his version of a nice guy with the White Sox a few years ago, not only did his performance go into the tank, but that his new "friendly attitude" really pissed his teammates off. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:42 am ] |
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we all work with assholes. just ignore him. baseball players have the luxury of being able to punch people in the mouth if they bother you. the rest of us, not so much. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:44 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: we all work with assholes. just ignore him. baseball players have the luxury of being able to punch people in the mouth if they bother you. the rest of us, not so much. And we've all seen that once he's been given a mouth shot, AJ won't fight back.
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| Author: | WestmontMike [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:51 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: lot of pussies in baseball I guess. kind of pathetic really. Exactly what i thought when i heard about this. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:03 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Everyone knows A.J. is a complete fucking douche. He had a good situation with the Sox. For most of the time he had Ozzie to keep him in line. I appreciate Ozzie more now that he's gone than I ever did when he was managing. Ozzie wasn't a guy to fuck with. If you did fuck with him you got shipped out to New York for a couple AA pitchers and Wilson Betemit. And when Ozzie was gone, Konerko was still there. Everybody respects Konerko so much, including A.J. Not that Konerko has ever been a super vocal leader, but I don't think it would have taken much more than a "knock it off, A.J." from Paul to keep Pierzynski in line. AJ is an absolute douchebag to rookies. He always has been. When the Sox were veteran heavy, especially with the big white hunter coalition, you didn't hear a bad thing about the guy. It was kind of surprising he didn't get along with Peavey. The worst thing he did with the white sox was make a stink when Beckham wanted to bring his girlfriend/fiancée on family friendly flights. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:16 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: bigfan wrote: Kenny thought he was a prick too and didn't want him...I think the exact quote was "he isn't a good fit on our system" Let's see some proof of that.When Pierzynski’s agent called White Sox GM Kenny Williams, he simply said, “No.” When Williams asked Guillen for his opinion, the manager concurred. This was from the article written when the red sox signed him, so dont tell me it was because they released him.http://bosoxinjection.com/2013/12/03/most-hated-opponent/ I think AJ is a good catcher to have on your team. he is a timely hitter, but he is an asshole. So then how did AJ end on the White Sox? Same way a majority of the players ended up on the Sox in '05, Ron Schuler, but then again someone will want written statements that this was true and of course witnessed and notarized. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:23 am ] |
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Quote: Same way a majority of the players ended up on the Sox in '05, Ron Schuler You are so far up your own ass with this Sox obsession of yours its pathetic. The GM who stepped down in 2000 got the majority of the '05 team together? You expect anybody to believe that bullshit? Christ, how much tinfoil do you go thru each month making hats for yourself?
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:26 am ] |
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I guess you chose to ignore the fact I just provided you a quote of Kenny saying "NO" to AJ after you asked for it. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:36 am ] |
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Quote: I think the exact quote was "he isn't a good fit on our system" This is not the same as a simple, "No"What did Ron Schuler say about AJ? How about Jerry Krause, did he have any input? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:37 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Quote: I think the exact quote was "he isn't a good fit on our system" This is not the same as a simple, "No"What did Ron Schuler say about AJ? How about Jerry Krause, did he have any input? OK frank |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:51 am ] |
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Why would Ron Schuler say "OK Frank" when talking about a starting catcher? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:52 am ] |
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Definitely some obsession going on here |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:54 am ] |
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The Boston media are so pathetic in their commitment to shitting on everyone who leaves that they even had to run a smearjob on fucking A.J. Pierzynski? As if Pierzynski doesn't work overtime to make himself look like an asshole. It's everyone from every team there. "FACKIN' BLEDSOE NEVAH WON NUTHIN' ANYWAYS!" |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:13 am ] |
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White Sox said "yes" to A.J. Pierzynski three times as a free agent in 2005, extended by Kenny Williams EARLY in 2007 and then again in 2010, re-signed as a free agent by Kenny Williams bigfan wrote: When Pierzynski’s agent called White Sox GM Kenny Williams, he simply said, “No.” When Williams asked Guillen for his opinion, the manager concurred. This was from the article written when the red sox signed him, so dont tell me it was because they released him.http://bosoxinjection.com/2013/12/03/most-hated-opponent/ I think AJ is a good catcher to have on your team. he is a timely hitter, but he is an asshole. So then how did AJ end on the White Sox? Same way a majority of the players ended up on the Sox in '05, Ron Schuler, but then again someone will want written statements that this was true and of course witnessed and notarized. |
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| Author: | stoneroses86 [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:03 pm ] |
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I am literally laughing out loud thinking of those little babies in the Boston Red Sox clubhouse crying for their mommies because A.J. Perzynski spent time looking at his cell phone instead of hugging the starting pitcher if he had a bad game. Ha ha ha! I will bet you any amount of money that the bald headed midget Dustin Pedroia is the ringleader of this affair, since it is commonly known that he is a teeny tiny little midget baby, who only likes you if you do silly homosexual "cowboy up" videos that can be played on the jumbotron in that crumbling rat infested Fenway Park. "Oh, Kevin Millar was such a great teammate. He did not stare at his cell phone. He danced around like a giant fool and let everybody laugh at him, right before everybody sings a horrible song by the washed up Neil Diamond!" I cannot stand A.J. Perzynski, but if he was in a fight with that midget Dustin Pedroia, I would definitely root for A.J. Perzynski. If you cannot tell, I cannot stand Dustin Pedroia. Kevin Millar was a terrible ballplayer, so Dustin Pedroia probably hired him to be his permanent sidekick, so they could prance like little elves around Boston while holding hands and screaming "Cowboy up!" at the top of their lungs, so that people would buy them Bartlyes and James wine coolers. When Kevin Millar was forced out of baseball because he was not good, the midget Dustin Pedroia probably cried like a little baby missing his mommy for months. He probably asked Josh Beckett to be the new "cowboy up" man/boyfriend, but Josh Beckett was allegedly too busy smoking copious amounts of marijuana to be bothered with such silliness. I have no idea how anybody can root for this horrible franchise. Their fans are the worst people in the world. And Dustin Pedroia plays for them. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:15 pm ] |
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What do you have against elves? Didn't those bitches all gang up on Ellsbury as well a couple of years ago because he wasn't joining in their games of grab ass? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:17 pm ] |
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AJ is a pud, but I 100% agree with this; Regular Reader wrote: The BoSox sound like a group raised on juice boxes & snacks after every game, with a real need for their participation trophies each June. Poor suburban babies
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| Author: | Apologist [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:50 pm ] |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:52 pm ] |
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| That quite awesome.
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| Author: | RFDC [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:58 pm ] |
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Apologist wrote:
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| Author: | spanky [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:00 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: AJ is a pud, but I 100% agree with this; Regular Reader wrote: The BoSox sound like a group raised on juice boxes & snacks after every game, with a real need for their participation trophies each June. Poor suburban babies Sounds like Duke basketball. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:06 pm ] |
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Darkside wrote: :lol: That quite awesome. I think that's Victorino that Uehara bitch-slapped
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