CG, 1 hit, 0 ER, 0 walk, and couldn't get a win.

3rd starter at best; 4th on a contender.

No. But it would be difficult to argue that in the actual game that was played tonight that he was better than Alex Cobb and the other two guys that finished up for him. And unfortunately for him, that was the game he was in.

How is a guy that pitches 8 innings and strikes out nine while allowing one hit and no walks better than three guys that pitch nine innings, walk two and allow four hits?

Jorr knows how silly his argument is. It's been gone over and over and he won't relent when I'm pretty sure he knows he's wrong or just not right.
He has doubled and tripled down in a losing battle.
It's kind of admirable.

How is a guy that pitches 8 innings and strikes out nine while allowing one hit and no walks better than three guys that pitch nine innings, walk two and allow four hits?

I suppose I should have said "worse" or "not better".

Because he allowed the triple that scored the winning run. Have we really lost all ability to recognize the object of the game? Let me clue you in, it isn't to sharpen up one's WHIP.

To score more runs than the other team. It seems like Price did his best to help his team win. He allowed only one hit while his teammates couldn't score a run on four hits.

JORR can correct me if I'm wrong, but after going back and forth with him in other threads, it seems for him the job of a pitcher is simply to allow at least one run less than the opposing pitcher(s). If you fail at that then you deserve the loss.

JORR can correct me if I'm wrong, but after going back and forth with him in other threads, it seems for him the job of a pitcher is simply to allow at least one run less than the opposing pitcher(s). If you fail at that then you deserve the loss.

Because he allowed the triple that scored the winning run. Have we really lost all ability to recognize the object of the game? Let me clue you in, it isn't to sharpen up one's WHIP.

They should give the Cy Young to the lowest WHIP pitcher . Maybe Samardzija can win it with 5 wins

JORR can correct me if I'm wrong, but after going back and forth with him in other threads, it seems for him the job of a pitcher is simply to allow at least one run less than the opposing pitcher(s). If you fail at that then you deserve the loss.

So Price failed yesterday even though he gave up zero earned runs.

Chris Sale lost a game last year 2-0 when both runs were unearned. Two errors by Alexei lead to the runs. How on earth is that the pitcher's fault?

Well if it were my premise I would say earned runs. However even I were to concede this argument about the usefulness of wins and losses as a stat, I still don't think it's a good indicator by itself of a pitcher's merit over the long term of a season or career. But as a job during a single game on one night, yes you'd want to give up one less than your opponent, but even that's not entirely fair since you face different hitters. Now JORR might mention run differentials between offenses here to say perhaps that most pitchers face similar challenges everyday despite facing different lineups, but I'm not sold on that. For example I wouldn't say facing the Angels hitters is a similar challenge to facing, say, last place team x's hitters, even though when you average everything out over the season the difference is not as stark as you might think at first.

In fact, if a guy drops the ball on what should have been the third out, everything thereafter in the inning is "unearned". In that case, you don't think the pitcher is responsible for the triples and homers he allows after the error?

Well, in this particular case, there's no question that Alex Cobb was facing the tougher lineup. But as I've said repeatedly, in the space of a single game, that difference is inconsequential.

In your opinion facing the best hitting team in baseball and facing the worst hitting team in baseball is pretty much the same thing in the space of a single game?


This is the part where you lose most people I think.

A pitcher facing the A's lineup is not an equal task to a pitcher facing a Padre lineup whether its in the same game and conditions or not. Its just not. Its much harder to get the good hitting teams out and keep them from scoring

I find it funny that nobody tries to understand what JORR's saying and they'd rather just argue with him. He's right for the most part.

I find it funny that nobody tries to understand what JORR's saying and they'd rather just argue with him. He's right for the most part.

The difference between big league offenses in most cases is marginal, i.e. less than a run per game. As I've stated time and time again, an increment which cannot even be scored. Sure there's a huge difference between scoring 800 runs and 650 in a season, but it only shows up after time. And that's the heart of baseball. It's a game of time and repetition.

I do agree with him in a small part of his argument but I don't agree in his larger point at all.
He's taking a glass of water out of the ocean and saying there's no sharks in there (I agree) then concluding there's no sharks in the ocean (I wouldn't agree).