Stoney and Looney are going over how to fool MLB umpires by framing Pitches with a correctly placed catchers mitt.
Do you really think that umps look at the catchers mitt when deciding a call? Can they see the mitt from above and behind a catcher?
I would think that the ump is watching the ball go o er the plate or not.

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Framing a pitch quickly and smoothly can make a big difference.

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Why dont you call and ask the almost minor leaguer catcher in the expos organizaton?

But, yes I think it helps.

I didnt catch in HS, but did watch the coach talk about it. he just called it. "bringing it in"

He would would catchers to drag the glove inward on the pitch all the time.

Much better for a pitching coach to find an umps 'zone" and pitch to it. I would think this would be much easier these days. To have a database on an ump, sounds like a REALLY SMART thing.

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There's a lot of stuff out there about catcher framing and Jose Molina is the poster child. The guy is a human bowl of pudding back there and gets tons of borderline pitches called strikes. Lucroy is really good at framing too because he can make himself so small.

Just look at the opposite case. How often do you see a catcher set up inside or outside and the pitcher completely misses and throws it right over the plate? It happens all the time and the ump rarely calls it a strike because all the catcher movement throws him off.

If a pitcher hits a catcher's spot and he barely moves it over they are more likely to get the call.

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Ok. Points taken. I just didn't think an MLB ump would be that easy to manipulate.

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Framing is like Payton's put the ball up further after tackle. Maybe he got a 100 more yards that way in a career.

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I will advocate for robot umpires.

Hell, you could even have other robots, AKA computers determine which pitcher got the W, thus infuriating JORR further.

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I think Earl Weaver kept tabs on umpires with the Orioles, but mostly just to remember which ones he could curse at more.

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No one frames like the catcher from Jackie Robinson West. That was a least a 2 second count after the ball hit the mitt.

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Dude no shit. That kid was properly Pudge fucking Rodriguez back there.

And thanks to his dad(and a recruitment letter), his favorite player is Johnny Bench

And maybe, just maybe we can convince him to stay at Kenwood for high school (to hell with all-boys schools which need not be mentioned )

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I saw some stat out there about Lucroy and how many pitches he gets called strikes for his pitchers.

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We are not talking about obvious pitches being called balls. These are judgment call type pitches that could easily be defended if called either a ball or a strike. Umpires have a moment of hesitation and the framing is an optical illusion.

I think framing is a misnomer. It is more of a dragging back into the strike zone. I think of framing as holding the pitch in place for an extra second.

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I did see the kid see his favorite player was Johnny Bench...that went uncommented upon, though it was awesome.

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I am sure they all kept notes, but tese days you can actually quantify the % of pitches any ump calls strikes v balls in a certain area.

I will just assume this is a stat that is widely kept and used these days.

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They did talk to his dad about it during one of the games. He said the kid found out there was a Johnny Bench trophy that was awarded to the top college catcher and asked him who Johnny Bench was. Then the kid said, "I'm gonna win that." The dad said he didn't want the kid to catch at all, but the kid whined about it until he allowed it. So he told him, "If you're going to catch, you're going to learn how to do it right." And then he made him block balls for months without ever catching a ball. Finally, the kid asked, "When do I actually get to catch?" And the dad said, "When you're in college!"

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Very true, It really pisses me off that Every single pitch is not shown on a pitch trex..all Umps should be graded by these.

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That's what makes Molina so good at pitch framing. His hands are so freaking strong he doesn't have to catch the ball in the pocket of the glove. He can keep his glove still and catch the ball in the top, bottom or side of the glove making it look like the pitcher hit his spot. That little bit can be the difference on a boarder line call.

umpires in general seem to be rather dumb and easy to fool.

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My favorite Bench story was when he called for a curveball three times from a pitcher who insisted on throwing a fastball, which Bench thought wasn't popping that day. The pitcher ended up throwing a fastball, and Bench caught it barehanded, just to prove a point.

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if you ever try umpiring, you'll figure out why...it's really tough and umps are human beings. Pitches fool batters all the time, and umpires too. A computer umpire is an idea whose time has come.

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I been saying this for 10 years, a sensor on home plate..these umps blow, not to mention they get hit in the nuts n stop play for minutes ...baseball needs several rule changes to improve the game.

Time limit on pitchers
batter can only leave box 1 x per atbat
only 1 mound visit per inning..that includes catcher , pitching coach n manager...so make it count if you want to stop play.
no more changing balls every time it hits the dirt ...ya use one ball until its in the seats..then grab another one.
shorten season to 112 games..season starts on may 1st.

implement a salary cap and floor.

The instant replays are awful...no challenges, just get the play right n quickly .
either the N.L. gets a DH or the A.L. loses theirs...have to be the same.

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I'd be in favor of some sort of compromise where RoboUmp signals ball or strike to the home plate umpire but it's ultimately his judgment call to override RoboUmp if he feels it's necessary. Of course, umpires who override the robot and get it wrong would be evaluated.

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I've heard that story. I'm not sure if it's true or just a legend, but the pitcher was supposedly Jim Maloney.

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Well Jim Maloney threw pretty fucking hard so Im not sure if it went down like that.

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Yeah, I doubt it ever happened. I've also heard that the pitcher was Gerry Arrigo. More likely than Maloney, but it probably didn't happen at all.

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Rosenbloom actually had an intelligent column the other day with a solution that addresses the length of games simply and effectively. Call the fucking strikezone. Letters to knees. Just like they did in the Little League World Series. It would eliminate this new breed of strikeout king who is up there looking to walk every time. Fans don't come to the park to see walks. Thanks, Bill James!

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