But since I know you and how you roll with these hypotheticals, I didnt bite on the knee jerk play action you're running here
What about Castro for Quintana?
Castro could play 2B or 3B
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:26 am ] |
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If you're a Cub fan would you make that deal? How about if you're a Sox fan? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
That is interesting. Would consider for sure. SP is so much harder to find than a 1B |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
As a Sox fan, I make that basic deal in a minute. In fact, if I have to consider throwing Avi Garcia or Tim Anderson in, I still do it. A left-handed power hitter is one of the White Sox's biggest weaknesses. It would allow you to move Abreu to DH. But then, I'm not a big believer in Jose Quintana. And the Sox are already loaded with lefthanded starters. But there are a lot of numbers to support the idea that Quintana is one of the best ten lefties in the game, maybe even a top 5 guy. That would be the conventional really smart guy wisdom. I don't buy that, but I look at W/L record more than most of you. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: As a Sox fan, I make that basic deal in a minute. In fact, if I have to consider throwing Avi Garcia or Tim Anderson in, I still do it. A left-handed power hitter is one of the White Sox's biggest weaknesses. It would allow you to move Abreu to DH. But then, I'm not a big believer in Jose Quintana. And the Sox are already loaded with lefthanded starters. But there are a lot of numbers to support the idea that Quintana is one of the best ten lefties in the game, maybe even a top 5 guy. That would be the conventional really smart guy wisdom. I don't buy that, but I look at W/L record more than most of you. I wasnt a believer in Quintana but he's done it for what 3 years now? And he's improved each year. The Cubs need pitching and seem like they might be long hitters without positions (aka First Baseman) I do think Rizzo is a leader and a great guy to have on the team though. I probably wouldnt do it |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: As a Sox fan, I make that basic deal in a minute. In fact, if I have to consider throwing Avi Garcia or Tim Anderson in, I still do it. A left-handed power hitter is one of the White Sox's biggest weaknesses. It would allow you to move Abreu to DH. But then, I'm not a big believer in Jose Quintana. And the Sox are already loaded with lefthanded starters. But there are a lot of numbers to support the idea that Quintana is one of the best ten lefties in the game, maybe even a top 5 guy. That would be the conventional really smart guy wisdom. I don't buy that, but I look at W/L record more than most of you. I wasnt a believer in Quintana but he's done it for what 3 years now? And he's improved each year. The Cubs need pitching and seem like they might be long hitters without positions (aka First Baseman) I do think Rizzo is a leader and a great guy to have on the team though. I probably wouldnt do it The reason I started the thread is that it's a deal that makes sense or both clubs but which would probably cause fans of both teams to utter a knee-jerk response of "NO WAY!" From the Cub perspective, Quintana is a reasonably priced cost-controlled pitcher in his prime that will likely give a team better bang for the buck than Lester, Scherzer, or Price. Also, with Bryant ready to play and Schwarber coming fast, Rizzo is expendable. From the Sox side, they are loaded with lefthanded starters and desperate for a lefty bat with some punch. Also, Abreu is likely older than advertised and has had nagging injuries. It would be good to limit his time in the field. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
But since I know you and how you roll with these hypotheticals, I didnt bite on the knee jerk play action you're running here What about Castro for Quintana? Castro could play 2B or 3B |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
rogers park bryan wrote: But since I know you and how you roll with these hypotheticals, I didnt bite on the knee jerk play action you're running here What about Castro for Quintana? Castro could play 2B or 3B I wouldn't do that. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
I wouldn't do it. I'm not sold on Quintana 100%, and I value Rizzo's game more than just "first base power hitter." |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
immessedup17 wrote: I wouldn't do it. I'm not sold on Quintana 100%, and I value Rizzo's game more than just "first base power hitter." What is his game beyond first base power hitter? |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: immessedup17 wrote: I wouldn't do it. I'm not sold on Quintana 100%, and I value Rizzo's game more than just "first base power hitter." What is his game beyond first base power hitter? Very high OBP and good defense. 7th highest OPS in all of baseball. Team leader. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:43 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: immessedup17 wrote: I wouldn't do it. I'm not sold on Quintana 100%, and I value Rizzo's game more than just "first base power hitter." What is his game beyond first base power hitter? Red ass, or leader in Cubs speak. I will say his defense impressed me as the year went on...very solid at saving errors from Castro and Valbuena. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:43 am ] |
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No thanks. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:53 am ] |
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Pitchers terrify me. Trade prospects not established positional players. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: As a Sox fan, I make that basic deal in a minute. In fact, if I have to consider throwing Avi Garcia or Tim Anderson in, I still do it. A left-handed power hitter is one of the White Sox's biggest weaknesses. It would allow you to move Abreu to DH. But then, I'm not a big believer in Jose Quintana. And the Sox are already loaded with lefthanded starters. But there are a lot of numbers to support the idea that Quintana is one of the best ten lefties in the game, maybe even a top 5 guy. That would be the conventional really smart guy wisdom. I don't buy that, but I look at W/L record more than most of you. Did you sit out in the sun too long yesterday? You don't create a weakness to fill one, especially with SP, especially with LHSP |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Are people of the belief that this year's numbers are a floor for Rizzo over the next 5 years? That would be the only way I would trade Quintana for him. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
good dolphin wrote: Are people of the belief that this year's numbers are a floor for Rizzo over the next 5 years? That would be the only way I would trade Quintana for him. I don't know if I would use the word "floor". Anyone can throw a bad year. But I would expect him to be as good or better over most of the next five seasons. And I consider Quintana nothing more than an innings eater. He's nothing special. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Rizzo had the 7th highest OPS in all of baseball |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
good dolphin wrote: Are people of the belief that this year's numbers are a floor for Rizzo over the next 5 years? That would be the only way I would trade Quintana for him. No, I would say he has 2 maybe 3 years better than this one in his next 10-12 years of baseball. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
rogers park bryan wrote: Rizzo had the 7th highest OPS in all of baseball Yeah, he's a good hitting left-handed first baseman. What do people think you should give up for a guy who is considered a front of the rotation left-handed starter? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
rogers park bryan wrote: Rizzo had the 7th highest OPS in all of baseball and I don't expect he will approach that in the future, especially in the O part of the equation I think the Cubs would be thrilled with that trade. As big as a weakness as it might be for the Sox, their offense was fine even with Oaf playing the part of LH power hitter |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
if I was a Sox fan I would do it. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
good dolphin wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Rizzo had the 7th highest OPS in all of baseball and I don't expect he will approach that in the future, especially in the O part of the equation I think the Cubs would be thrilled with that trade. As big as a weakness as it might be for the Sox, their offense was fine even with Oaf playing the part of LH power hitter pretty sure they already traded Samardzija. Why would they want him back? Even if Rizzo regresses to an average of .270 25 HR 80 RBI you don't do that deal for a .500 pitcher. Like JORR said, Quintana is just a guy.
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
badrogue17 wrote: good dolphin wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Rizzo had the 7th highest OPS in all of baseball and I don't expect he will approach that in the future, especially in the O part of the equation I think the Cubs would be thrilled with that trade. As big as a weakness as it might be for the Sox, their offense was fine even with Oaf playing the part of LH power hitter pretty sure they already traded Samardzija. Why would they want him back? Even if Rizzo regresses to an average of .270 25 HR 80 RBI you don't do that deal for a .500 pitcher. Like JORR said, Quintana is just a guy.and Joe Orr is incorrect They would have kept Samardzija had he signed a long term, club friendly contract....like Quintana. Look at the haul they got for Shark. I think you guys are whacky the way you undervalue pitching. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
Don't under value it at all. So far Quintana is headed for a nice losing pitcher John Danks career. Not trading an everyday productive player for that. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rizzo for Quintana |
good dolphin wrote: and Joe Orr is incorrect. How dare you! |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:55 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: and Joe Orr is incorrect. How dare you! only in this specific instance |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:59 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Don't under value it at all. So far Quintana is headed for a nice losing pitcher John Danks career. Not trading an everyday productive player for that. The first four years of John Danks career got him a $60 million contract and deservedly so. Quintana just keeps getting better year after year. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:06 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: Don't under value it at all. So far Quintana is headed for a nice losing pitcher John Danks career. Not trading an everyday productive player for that. You're nuts with this Pitching WINS = all you need to know stuff Even JORR understands there are exceptions Anyway, Quintana gave up 4 runs or less in 28 of his 32 starts. Thats more than "just a guy" |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:11 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Don't under value it at all. So far Quintana is headed for a nice losing pitcher John Danks career. Not trading an everyday productive player for that. You're nuts with this Pitching WINS = all you need to know stuff Even JORR understands there are exceptions Anyway, Quintana gave up 4 runs or less in 28 of his 32 starts. Thats more than "just a guy" There may be exceptions, I'm just not convinced he is one. He's starting to seem like the kind of guy who figures out how to give it up in a key situation. He'll have pinpoint control until he walks that leadoff batter in the seventh inning of a tie ballgame. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:17 pm ] |
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Felix Hernandez is 125-92 (.576 Winning percentage) C.J. Wilson is 86-62 (.581 Winning percentage) Yovani Gallardo (.581 Winning percentage) That's all im sayin |
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