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Author: | Rod [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:03 am ] |
Post subject: | SABRmetrics |
It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. That's not what he said. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Kirkwood wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. That's not what he said. Can you provide the exact quote? And who was it who said it? Whoever it was said something very close to that. "Knows how to get people out" was most definitely said. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Quote: “He’s left-handed, and left-handed pitchers tend to perform better throughout their contracts than right-handed pitchers,” Epstein said, according to Greenberg. “He’s got the right kind of pitch mix that will allow him to age gracefully. He doesn’t get hitters out just one way, especially now that his curveball is back in the mix, where he’s working both sides of the plate. The cutter is a weapon that ages very well. If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” There's no doubt they love heat. Their whole bullpen is composed of fireballers. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Kirkwood wrote: Quote: If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” I'm OK with that |
Author: | Juiced [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Kirkwood wrote: Quote: If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” I'm OK with that You can't compare Lester to Andy Pettitte. He was a confirmed steriod user. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. Getting people out prevents runs |
Author: | Juiced [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. Theo said he signed Lester because; he has post season success, didn't have to give up a draft pick, was a clubhouse leader and had a personal relationship with him. He didn't say anything about not wanting Scherzer. (You can't include Samardzija with Scherzer and Lester. That's just plain stupid). |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Juiced wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's whatever Beane and Theo say it is. And their sycophants at BP and Fangraphs concur. For years, SABRmetrics has trumpeted "big stuff" pitchers and insisted that a pitcher's job is to "prevent runs". But suddenly Theo signs Jon Lester and I hear one of these sycophantic goofs say that the philosophy behind the signing was that Epstein didn't want to give huge long term money to a "dominating" fireballer like Scherzer or Samardzija because they are more likely to burn out their arms. He signed Lester because he "knows how to get people out". What is the stat for "knowing how to get people out" called? And I don't disagree either. But when I say it, I'm some fucking crackpot or a hidebound fool from the past who can't understand that W/L record is meaningless. Theo or Beane say it, it's the gospel truth. Theo said he signed Lester because; he has post season success, didn't have to give up a draft pick, was a club house leader and had a personal relationship with him. He didn't say anything about not wanting Scherzer. (You can't include Samardzija with Scherzer and Lester. That's just plain stupid). He will definitely lead the clubhouse to an in game feed of chicken and beer we know that much. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Kirkwood wrote: Quote: “He’s left-handed, and left-handed pitchers tend to perform better throughout their contracts than right-handed pitchers,” Epstein said, according to Greenberg. “He’s got the right kind of pitch mix that will allow him to age gracefully. He doesn’t get hitters out just one way, especially now that his curveball is back in the mix, where he’s working both sides of the plate. The cutter is a weapon that ages very well. If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” There's no doubt they love heat. Their whole bullpen is composed of fireballers. That isn't a big revelation. Overall, lefties have a winning record. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Juiced wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Quote: If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” I'm OK with that You can't compare Lester to Andy Pettitte. He was a confirmed steriod user. You know who else aged really well? Roger Clemens. I look for that in the second half of Lester's career |
Author: | Juiced [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
good dolphin wrote: Juiced wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Quote: If you look at Andy Pettitte, he aged extremely well through his 30s. He’s a reasonable [comparison]. The second half of Jon Lester’s career you want to look like Andy Pettitte.” I'm OK with that You can't compare Lester to Andy Pettitte. He was a confirmed steriod user. You know who else aged really well? Roger Clemens. I look for that in the second half of Lester's career You will be looking at a three-peat World Series victory, my friend. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: SABRmetrics |
Juiced wrote: You can't include Samardzija with Scherzer and Lester. Why not? Because W/L record matters? |
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