Kurt Mensching related to Boras?
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| Author: | bigfan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:31 pm ] |
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Awfully quiet for a $200 mill guy (Per Boras) Dodgers even went back end of the rotation. Yankee, usually would have struck by now if they really wanted him. Tigers could come up a little from $144M, but why would they if nobody else is in the game. Angels? Padre? ..........................Cub? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:34 pm ] |
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Any chance he signs a 1 year contract at a large price (say 30) then re enters next year? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:34 pm ] |
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It does seem awful quiet. Maybe teams are not willing to do as high as he wants |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:34 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Any chance he signs a 1 year contract at a large price (say 30) then re enters next year? Let it ride another year? I think that would be crazy |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:36 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: It does seem awful quiet. Maybe teams are not willing to do as high as he wants Jeff Samardzija should take note. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:36 pm ] |
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Mensching: Max Scherzer deserves more than $144 million By Kurt Mensching, Special to The Detroit News 7 a.m. EST January 12, 2015 Division Series - Baltimore Orioles v Detroit Tigers - Game Three (Photo: Leon Halip / Getty Images) Look, if you're Max Scherzer, of course you're going to hold out for the big money. Because you deserve it. You knew last year you deserved it. You knew during the course of 2014 you deserved it. And here, nearly two weeks into the month of January and within six weeks or so of pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training, you still know you deserve it. Anyone who has spent enough time wandering this planet will tell you that you don't always get what you deserve. Scherzer might not, either. But Scherzer deserves more than the reported six-year, $144 million deal offered by the Tigers last year. Don't be surprised if he gets it, too. That thought seems bleak right now. Day after day we read of more teams claiming not to be in the hunt for Scherzer. The Red Sox are out. The Yankees are out. The Giants are out. The Dodgers are out. The Cardinals are out. The Cubs already added Jon Lester. Which leaves … who exactly? Not a lot of big spenders. Not even the Tigers, if they're to be believed. This entire tale is unbelievable. And you shouldn't believe it. Teams are posturing, counterbalancing Scherzer's agent, Scott Boras. It's the delicate dance of baseball diplomats saying all the right things at the right times while negotiation goes on out of sight. I don't think for a moment that Scherzer will sign for less than Lester, who agreed to a six-year deal with Chicago worth $155 million, including a $30 million signing bonus. Nor should he. Scherzer is younger, better and comes with more laurels and fewer innings on his arm. He's coming off a two-year period with an ERA of 3.02, more than 10 strikeouts per nine innings and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 4.13. Lester was worse by every measure. So why then should Schezer take less money? And if Scherzer wants as much money as Justin Verlander makes, why shouldn't he? Through their first 200 or so starts, Scherzer and Verlander were remarkably similar players. Their ERAs are close (Verlander, 3.54; Scherzer, 3.58), their fielding independent pitching stat is close (Scherzer, 3.39; Verlander, 3.49). They both walked 2.8 batters per nine innings, but Scherzer struck out better than a batter per nine innings more (9.3 vs. 8.3). Last year Verlander signed a seven-year, $180 million dollar deal that could be worth more than $200 million in the end. Why wouldn't Scherzer look for that kind of pay? Scherzer may be without a team today, but it would be a mistake to believe that means the market has dried up and he should be entering desperation mode soon. I'm reminded of a few years back when another Boras client appeared to overshoot the market. And then one day in late January, following a key injury to a major player, he signed a contract of an astounding figure. You remember it too surely, because that player was Prince Fielder and that team was the Tigers. Fielder inked a deal worth more than $23 million annually, totalling $214 million across nine seasons. The market has changed a bit since then, wisened up a bit. Well, mostly. But what Boras is hoping for here is pretty simple: a whiff of desperation from a team or an owner willing to listen to a sales pitch telling him his club is just one star starting pitcher away from making the playoffs and then doing something when they get there. You're not going to find another frontline starter on the market like Scherzer, Boras would say, though surely with more charts and with smoother words. There's plenty of time before the season arrives. Boras and Scherzer know enough not to panic now. The Tigers don't seem all that desperate either. If the Tigers don't want to give Scherzer the kind of contract he's looking for because they don't think it fits into their long-term plan, that's fine. They've already got a lot of expensive players under the belt. But if they don't want to pay the man because they think he doesn't deserve it, they are badly mistaken. He does. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:38 pm ] |
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Kurt Mensching related to Boras?
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:42 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Mensching: Max Scherzer deserves more than $144 million By Kurt Mensching, Special to The Detroit News 7 a.m. EST January 12, 2015 Division Series - Baltimore Orioles v Detroit Tigers - Game Three (Photo: Leon Halip / Getty Images) Look, if you're Max Scherzer, of course you're going to hold out for the big money. Because you deserve it. You knew last year you deserved it. You knew during the course of 2014 you deserved it. And here, nearly two weeks into the month of January and within six weeks or so of pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training, you still know you deserve it. Anyone who has spent enough time wandering this planet will tell you that you don't always get what you deserve. Scherzer might not, either. But Scherzer deserves more than the reported six-year, $144 million deal offered by the Tigers last year. Don't be surprised if he gets it, too. That thought seems bleak right now. Day after day we read of more teams claiming not to be in the hunt for Scherzer. The Red Sox are out. The Yankees are out. The Giants are out. The Dodgers are out. The Cardinals are out. The Cubs already added Jon Lester. Which leaves … who exactly? Not a lot of big spenders. Not even the Tigers, if they're to be believed. This entire tale is unbelievable. And you shouldn't believe it. Teams are posturing, counterbalancing Scherzer's agent, Scott Boras. It's the delicate dance of baseball diplomats saying all the right things at the right times while negotiation goes on out of sight. I don't think for a moment that Scherzer will sign for less than Lester, who agreed to a six-year deal with Chicago worth $155 million, including a $30 million signing bonus. Nor should he. Scherzer is younger, better and comes with more laurels and fewer innings on his arm. He's coming off a two-year period with an ERA of 3.02, more than 10 strikeouts per nine innings and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 4.13. Lester was worse by every measure. Scherzer isn't a better pitcher than Lester. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:46 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Mensching: Max Scherzer deserves more than $144 million By Kurt Mensching, Special to The Detroit News 7 a.m. EST January 12, 2015 Division Series - Baltimore Orioles v Detroit Tigers - Game Three (Photo: Leon Halip / Getty Images) Look, if you're Max Scherzer, of course you're going to hold out for the big money. Because you deserve it. You knew last year you deserved it. You knew during the course of 2014 you deserved it. And here, nearly two weeks into the month of January and within six weeks or so of pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training, you still know you deserve it. Anyone who has spent enough time wandering this planet will tell you that you don't always get what you deserve. Scherzer might not, either. But Scherzer deserves more than the reported six-year, $144 million deal offered by the Tigers last year. Don't be surprised if he gets it, too. That thought seems bleak right now. Day after day we read of more teams claiming not to be in the hunt for Scherzer. The Red Sox are out. The Yankees are out. The Giants are out. The Dodgers are out. The Cardinals are out. The Cubs already added Jon Lester. Which leaves … who exactly? Not a lot of big spenders. Not even the Tigers, if they're to be believed. This entire tale is unbelievable. And you shouldn't believe it. Teams are posturing, counterbalancing Scherzer's agent, Scott Boras. It's the delicate dance of baseball diplomats saying all the right things at the right times while negotiation goes on out of sight. I don't think for a moment that Scherzer will sign for less than Lester, who agreed to a six-year deal with Chicago worth $155 million, including a $30 million signing bonus. Nor should he. Scherzer is younger, better and comes with more laurels and fewer innings on his arm. He's coming off a two-year period with an ERA of 3.02, more than 10 strikeouts per nine innings and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 4.13. Lester was worse by every measure. Scherzer isn't a better pitcher than Lester. What happened to W-L% rule? Scherzer is 55-15 over the last three years |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:48 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Mensching: Max Scherzer deserves more than $144 million By Kurt Mensching, Special to The Detroit News 7 a.m. EST January 12, 2015 Division Series - Baltimore Orioles v Detroit Tigers - Game Three (Photo: Leon Halip / Getty Images) Look, if you're Max Scherzer, of course you're going to hold out for the big money. Because you deserve it. You knew last year you deserved it. You knew during the course of 2014 you deserved it. And here, nearly two weeks into the month of January and within six weeks or so of pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training, you still know you deserve it. Anyone who has spent enough time wandering this planet will tell you that you don't always get what you deserve. Scherzer might not, either. But Scherzer deserves more than the reported six-year, $144 million deal offered by the Tigers last year. Don't be surprised if he gets it, too. That thought seems bleak right now. Day after day we read of more teams claiming not to be in the hunt for Scherzer. The Red Sox are out. The Yankees are out. The Giants are out. The Dodgers are out. The Cardinals are out. The Cubs already added Jon Lester. Which leaves … who exactly? Not a lot of big spenders. Not even the Tigers, if they're to be believed. This entire tale is unbelievable. And you shouldn't believe it. Teams are posturing, counterbalancing Scherzer's agent, Scott Boras. It's the delicate dance of baseball diplomats saying all the right things at the right times while negotiation goes on out of sight. I don't think for a moment that Scherzer will sign for less than Lester, who agreed to a six-year deal with Chicago worth $155 million, including a $30 million signing bonus. Nor should he. Scherzer is younger, better and comes with more laurels and fewer innings on his arm. He's coming off a two-year period with an ERA of 3.02, more than 10 strikeouts per nine innings and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 4.13. Lester was worse by every measure. Scherzer isn't a better pitcher than Lester. What happened to W-L% rule? Scherzer is 55-15 over the last three years |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:51 pm ] |
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Aren't you supposed to put a disclaimer at the top of advertisements that look like articles? Y'know like those "articles" where China writes how happy their people are or their proud history of environmental regulation. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:55 pm ] |
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And remember I was way ahead of you all on this a month and a half ago. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:57 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Mensching: Max Scherzer deserves more than $144 million By Kurt Mensching, Special to The Detroit News 7 a.m. EST January 12, 2015 Division Series - Baltimore Orioles v Detroit Tigers - Game Three (Photo: Leon Halip / Getty Images) Look, if you're Max Scherzer, of course you're going to hold out for the big money. Because you deserve it. You knew last year you deserved it. You knew during the course of 2014 you deserved it. And here, nearly two weeks into the month of January and within six weeks or so of pitchers and catchers reporting for spring training, you still know you deserve it. Anyone who has spent enough time wandering this planet will tell you that you don't always get what you deserve. Scherzer might not, either. But Scherzer deserves more than the reported six-year, $144 million deal offered by the Tigers last year. Don't be surprised if he gets it, too. That thought seems bleak right now. Day after day we read of more teams claiming not to be in the hunt for Scherzer. The Red Sox are out. The Yankees are out. The Giants are out. The Dodgers are out. The Cardinals are out. The Cubs already added Jon Lester. Which leaves … who exactly? Not a lot of big spenders. Not even the Tigers, if they're to be believed. This entire tale is unbelievable. And you shouldn't believe it. Teams are posturing, counterbalancing Scherzer's agent, Scott Boras. It's the delicate dance of baseball diplomats saying all the right things at the right times while negotiation goes on out of sight. I don't think for a moment that Scherzer will sign for less than Lester, who agreed to a six-year deal with Chicago worth $155 million, including a $30 million signing bonus. Nor should he. Scherzer is younger, better and comes with more laurels and fewer innings on his arm. He's coming off a two-year period with an ERA of 3.02, more than 10 strikeouts per nine innings and a strikeout-to-walk ratio of 4.13. Lester was worse by every measure. Scherzer isn't a better pitcher than Lester. That seems to be what the market is saying |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:59 pm ] |
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immessedup17 wrote: And remember I was way ahead of you all on this a month and a half ago. Nothing has been settled |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:00 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: What happened to W-L% rule? If I had one game to win and a choice of the 2, I'll take Lester every time.[/quote]Scherzer is 55-15 over the last three years Well, that is certainly a huge change from your previous stance. |
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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:22 pm ] |
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Shields is still available, which is probably the main issue. Scherzer needs him to sign. |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:03 pm ] |
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David Price to Cardinals for Marco Gonzales & some bullpen help. Tigers then resign Scherzer and miss the playoffs completely in 2015. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:30 pm ] |
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Hussra wrote: David Price to Cardinals for Marco Gonzales & some bullpen help. Tigers then resign Scherzer and miss the playoffs completely in 2015. Price for Price likely to be higher. Ilitch still very much in win now mode. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:32 pm ] |
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Apologist wrote: Hussra wrote: David Price to Cardinals for Marco Gonzales & some bullpen help. Tigers then resign Scherzer and miss the playoffs completely in 2015. Price for Price likely to be higher. Ilitch still very much in win now mode. ...and die later! Gotta give it to the old Pizza Boss! Cant take it with you! |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:40 pm ] |
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bigfan wrote: Apologist wrote: Hussra wrote: David Price to Cardinals for Marco Gonzales & some bullpen help. Tigers then resign Scherzer and miss the playoffs completely in 2015. Price for Price likely to be higher. Ilitch still very much in win now mode. ...and die later! Gotta give it to the old Pizza Boss! Cant take it with you! Barves got Miller and Jenkins (very high cieling prospect) for Heyward on a one-year rental. Price would likely command Gonzales or Wacha, and a MLB regular or solid bench type. Think Jon Jay or Peter Bourjos-- considering the Tiger needs. It's very Cardinal to go all in on a position player such as Heyward-- They've done it before for Holliday, Edmomnds, and Rolen; all of whom extended and became franchise icons. I don't see them doing it again in the same offseason for Price. Cardinals have never bought elite pitching; they draft and develop their own 2-3 WAR types. (Jaime Garcia, Wacha, Gonzales (maybe), Lynn, Kelly, Martnez, et al.) |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:43 pm ] |
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He'll get his money. I think it will be from the Nats or Angels. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:04 pm ] |
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Those actually were the "mystery bidders" I was thinking. Yanks say they are out, Sawx say they are out... who the fuck does that leave? |
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| Author: | Hussra [ Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:18 pm ] |
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David Price being featured on the Tigers winter fan caravan, along with Verlander, Victor Martinez and Ian Kinsler...not something a team does if they are looking to trade a player before opening day. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:34 am ] |
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Rosenthal is reporting 7/$180. Or pretty much the same per year as Lester with the final year guaranteed instead of vesting. IMU right again. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:43 am ] |
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immessedup17 wrote: Rosenthal is reporting 7/$180. Or pretty much the same per year as Lester with the final year guaranteed instead of vesting. IMU right again. Actually Rosenthal is saying MORE than 180 But even if its at 180, Scherzer will be making more per year and more overall, just as BC and I told you he would. Don't handle this like Brett Jackson handled MLB pitching 
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:49 am ] |
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If it is 180m, that is less than Lester per year. If it is $181m, are you going to chalk it up as a win? This is practically the same contract for both pitchers. Scherzer was never a $200m pitcher |
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| Author: | Minooka Meatball [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:53 am ] |
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Latest is the Nats: 7/165. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:03 am ] |
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Boras fucked up. Cubs clearly overpaid too. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:23 am ] |
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immessedup17 wrote: If it is 180m, that is less than Lester per year. If it is $181m, are you going to chalk it up as a win? This is practically the same contract for both pitchers. Scherzer was never a $200m pitcher Well its certainly not a win for you if Scherzer makes more per year and overall . That was the argument |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:53 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: immessedup17 wrote: If it is 180m, that is less than Lester per year. If it is $181m, are you going to chalk it up as a win? This is practically the same contract for both pitchers. Scherzer was never a $200m pitcher Well its certainly not a win for you if Scherzer makes more per year and overall . That was the argument No. It was not. viewtopic.php?f=32&t=89469&p=2138997&hilit=scherzer#p2138997 immessedup17 wrote: Scherzer is not getting $200M. Boras is about to be let down. Scherzer is not near Kershaw. Kershaw is a once in a generation talent. Lester signed for 6 years, $155M not including options, which are never included when talking about guarantees. I had guessed 6/~$150M. This is overpaying. Boston offered 6/$135M. But the Cubs wanted him and were willing to pay the price. Now Cubs fans hope it won't be regretted. immessedup17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Scherzer is not getting $200M. Boras is about to be let down. Scherzer is not near Kershaw. Kershaw is a once in a generation talent. Lester signed for 6 years, $155M not including options, which are never included when talking about guarantees. I had guessed 6/~$150M. This is overpaying. Boston offered 6/$135M. But the Cubs wanted him and were willing to pay the price. Now Cubs fans hope it won't be regretted. He'll get more than Lester per year for and probably overall I can't believe some team will give him 8 years guaranteed at $26-$27 (or more) per. He was just a guy before the last two seasons. He hasn't proven enough. Scherzer has about a flat 3.00 ERA since April 2013. Arrieta has a 3.10 ERA since July 2013. Is Arrieta just as proven as Scherzer? Should the Cubs lock up Arrieta now for $23 a season before he gets close to an open market? immessedup17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Scherzer will get more than Lester Scherzer and his agent dont give a fuck about draft picks. Teams do. The market bears what it bears. If Scherzer gets paid $27M a year for 7 years, I'll change my signature to whatever you like until pitchers and catchers report. CC got 7 years, $161M. Teams cannot be that stupid any longer. |
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