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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
That's what baseball needs. A micromanager. Because the game can't ever adjust. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... 29801.html |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
This is further evidence that Adam Dunn ruined baseball. Also, this is dumb. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
they could paint big circles all over the field where the defense player is not allowed to leave until the ball hits the ground. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
a shifting outfield is a dynamic part of the game. it adds a ton of strategy that can go right or wrong on any given play. i love it. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Why do they need to dumb down the game? This is extremely stupid. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Teach one of these big oafs to hit opposite field every once in awhile, and these shifts will go away on their own. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
I was just gonna say, how bout lifting the ban on hitting the ball to the opposite side? |
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| Author: | spanky [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Other than the pitcher and the catcher, fielders should be allowed to play wherever the hell they want. |
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| Author: | Godfella [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
spanky wrote: Other than the pitcher and the catcher, fielders should be allowed to play wherever the hell they want. Absolutely... +1. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
the commissioner should do what I do with t ball players: Draw an X in the dirt with my foot and tell them that no matter where they run around to when the ball is hit, they better return to the x before the next batter is up |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Douchebag wrote: Teach one of these big oafs to hit opposite field every once in awhile, and these shifts will go away on their own. This |
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| Author: | spanky [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
good dolphin wrote: the commissioner should do what I do with t ball players: Draw an X in the dirt with my foot and tell them that no matter where they run around to when the ball is hit, they better return to the x before the next batter is up When I did coach pitch I had to write their first initial in the dirt because sometimes they would go back to the wrong "x" 
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
I think they are trying to increase scoring without juicing the ball (or the players). If guys would bunt every once in a while, the shift would go away. Other good ways to increase scoring: Get rid of the balk rules, more stolen bases, more excitement, more strategy, more emphasis on defensive fundamentals (catchers-pitchers), more scoring. Get rid of the lefty strike 6 inches off the plate. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Apologist wrote: Get rid of the balk rules, more stolen bases, more excitement, more strategy, more emphasis on defensive fundamentals (catchers-pitchers), more scoring. Getting rid of balks would decrease stolen bases. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Nas wrote: Why do they need to dumb down the game? This is extremely stupid. This. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
the problem isn't lack of scoring, it's that the game is so long. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
And the answer to speeding up the game is simply to call the actual strike zone- letters to knees. The fan doesn't want to watch his team's best hitter going up there looking to take a walk. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The fan doesn't want to watch his team's best hitter going up there looking to take a walk. If it leads to more runs, sure I do. The name of the game is winning. If the opposing pitcher is giving Rizzo a walk, take the walk. Same thing with Abreu. The pace of the game is fine. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
too many pitching changes. limit to 10 pitchers/roster. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Douchebag wrote: Apologist wrote: Get rid of the balk rules, more stolen bases, more excitement, more strategy, more emphasis on defensive fundamentals (catchers-pitchers), more scoring. Getting rid of balks would decrease stolen bases. Sorry, poorly written. Refine the balk Rules especially at the lower levels, so the running game is taught properly. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
immessedup17 wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The fan doesn't want to watch his team's best hitter going up there looking to take a walk. If it leads to more runs, sure I do. The name of the game is winning. If the opposing pitcher is giving Rizzo a walk, take the walk. Same thing with Abreu. The pace of the game is fine. The pace of the game is not fine. The game cannot support the structure of salaries it has been able to establish by only appealing to the most hardcore fans like you and me. And the strikeout-walk-homerun paradigm is boring as hell. If all runs were scored on walks and the Cubs had 9 Eddie Yosts I'm sure you'd be happy with your World Series, but baseball would be boring as hell and most people wouldn't want to watch. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
This is one of the reasons I enjoy (besides the obvious reason) watching the Cardinals. They don't hit HRs, They don't walk disproportiinately, and they rarely steal. Lots of emphasis on long counts and contact which can lead to some epic pitcher-batter battles. Might be one of the reasons they get in the head of certain pitchers like Kershaw. All the sign-stealing talk is also related to this. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Douchebag wrote: Teach one of these big oafs to hit opposite field every once in awhile, and these shifts will go away on their own. Agree. Drop down a bunt every once in a while. Even if it doesn't work, it could still affect the shift.Also agree with spany. Worry about more important things like speeding up the game, getting the replay/"challenge" system correct, and trying to do something to get salaries in check. Don't let the catcher go to the mound of an unlimited amount of times. If they can't get on the same page with the signs then that is their own fault. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
In office for about half a day, already looking to make a run at getting on the 'top dumbfuck commissioners' list. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Quote: Lou Boudreau said: "What an A-hole"
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| Author: | Ed_from_Lisle [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Don Tiny wrote: In office for about half a day, already looking to make a run at getting on the 'top dumbfuck commissioners' list. If you're including all sports, please put Bettman at or near the top. Thank you in advance. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
I'll break it down like this. I hate things like 3 seconds and the process of the catch, baseball is a great game because the rules are simple. It's not hard to keep track of what’s going on, why a strategy is being used, and you don't have to explain to your mother-in-law some non-obvious stipulation intervening in the action too often. (And also, almost everything but the most complex strategies and interactions were taught to us in little league.) Right now, baseball positioning grows from the basic nature of the game; if you want to defend the field well, you put guys in spots where the hitter has been proven to beat you. Get them to hit it where you are. Legislating in rules to punish teams for doing it differently, seems like a sort of collective finger to the analytics crowd. The bottom line is it clutters up the game and adds unnecessary interpretations for mentally-challenged umpires. my $.02 |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Somebody should tell the new commish that the "Boudreau Shift" was around long before he took office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infield_shift The infield shift is a generic term used in baseball to describe an extreme defensive realignment from the standard positions to blanket one side of the field or another. Used almost exclusively against left-handed batters, it is designed to protect against extra base hits pulled hard into the gaps between the fielders on the right side. Originally called the "Boudreau" or "Williams" shift, the strategy is often associated with Ted Williams, but it was actually first employed against Cy Williams during the 1920s.[1][2] It was later used against Ted Williams during the 1946 World Series between the Red Sox and the Cardinals as a defensive gimmick by St. Louis manager Eddie Dyer to psych out and hopefully contain Boston slugger Williams. It was devised by Cleveland Indians manager Lou Boudreau on a blackboard between games of a doubleheader in July 1946 to halt Williams' hot hitting. "I always considered The Boudreau Shift a psychological, rather than a tactical victory," wrote Lou Boudreau in his book, Player-Manager. The shift has been employed since then to thwart extreme pull hitters (mostly lefties), such as Barry Bonds, Ryan Howard, Jason Giambi, David Ortiz, and Mark Teixeira. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
jimmypasta wrote: Somebody should tell the new commish that the "Boudreau Shift" was around long before he took office. You were around a long time before Boudreau |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manfred wants to ban defensive shifts. |
Apologist wrote: jimmypasta wrote: Somebody should tell the new commish that the "Boudreau Shift" was around long before he took office. You were around a long time before Boudreau No,but I read about it, maybe you should try it. |
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