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Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gold-gloves-are-finally-going-to-the-best-fielders/ From Tampa Bay’s Kevin Kiermaier to San Francisco’s Brandon Crawford, it was hard to tell this year’s list of Gold Glove winners, announced Tuesday night, from a list of players with the best advanced defensive metrics. That’s no coincidence: Since 2013, Rawlings, the mitt-maker that annually hands out the Gold Glove hardware, has incorporated a statistical component known as the SABR Defensive Index (SDI), giving it at least 25 percent weight in the voting. (The rest of the vote belongs to Major League Baseball managers and coaches.) But the impact of analytic tools is probably undersold by that number. Instead, the case can be made that the advanced stats have almost completely taken over the Gold Glove competition. You can see this effect in how much more closely recent Gold Glove winners have matched the selections that would have been made using only defensive metrics: Because MLB has expanded (offering more starting slots at a given position, and therefore the opportunity for more variance relative to average) and the quality of defensive metrics has improved (allowing metric creators to be more confident in handing out highly positive ratings), the average defensive quality of an “All-Defense” team selected purely using metrics has gradually increased since 1958.4 But the average quality of actual Gold Glove winners’ fielding had stayed relatively flat for over 50 years — right up until the introduction of the SDI. The gap between the real Gold Glove winners and what we’ve defined as the sabermetric ideal reached an all-time high of 14 runs in 2005. That year, voters infamously gave Derek Jeter a Gold Glove for what was one of the worst defensive seasons ever at shortstop according to the numbers. Defensive metrics were improving all the time, but the voters didn’t appear to be paying attention. The tide turned, however, with the adoption of the SDI in 2013. Immediately upon its inclusion in the voting process, the average statistical quality of a Gold Glove winner skyrocketed, from 10 runs below the sabermetric ideal in 2012 to half that a year later. Obviously, this is a bit of a circular finding: We’re judging Gold Glove winners against a statistical standard determined by one of the same metrics that goes into the SDI itself. But the leap between the pre- and post-SDI eras is still striking. So striking, in fact, that it even goes beyond what would be expected from the direct influence SDI has on Gold Glove voting by dictating 25 percent of the vote. “We think it’s influenced the managers’ and coaches’ voting,” Vince Gennaro, SABR’s president and a member of the SDI committee, said about SDI in a telephone interview Tuesday. On top of the SDI numbers’ algorithmic role in the voting process, Gennaro believes they have had a pronounced effect in combating incumbency bias and other reputation-based flaws in the human side of the voting. In other words, because they’re so widely available (they’re even listed on the ballots given to Gold Glove voters), the advanced metrics have also influenced the other 75 percent of the vote they don’t directly control. “[Say] you’ve got a guy who’s not a perennial Gold Glove guy, but he really caught your eye this year,” Gennaro said. “Then you see he had 17 runs saved, versus a guy who won it last year at 7. I think it could be very much a validating thing, and it might tip you to make that vote.” Because it essentially involves measuring players against the plays they didn’t make, defense has always been one of the toughest areas of baseball to evaluate statistically. And the absence of detailed defensive data in the past might have caused voters to err on the side of a reputation that was no longer valid (or never was deserved). But now, advanced metrics provide evidence to either support or tear down commonly held beliefs about a player’s defensive prowess, giving them a large amount of sway over both the human and computerized aspects of the Gold Glove process. This isn’t to say that every Gold Glove now conforms to the advanced metrics. For instance, Kansas City Royals teammates Eric Hosmer and Salvador Perez won this year despite ranking sixth and seventh at their respective positions in SDI. But aside from Hosmer and Perez, every other Gold Glover ranked in the top three in SDI at his position, and 10 of the 18 winners ranked first. Likewise, it isn’t completely clear that a wholesale metric takeover of the Gold Gloves would be a good thing. While we can measure whether Gold Gloves are getting closer to the sabermetric ideal, it will take further research to see whether that development means having a Gold Glover in the field leads to his team playing better defense. But since the introduction of the SDI, the Gold Glove process has undeniably become more quantitative. And that’s a pretty big shift for an award that used to be as allergic to meaningful statistics as any in the game. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
Never did like it when it was given out to coincidentally the best hitter at the position instead of best fielder . See Jeter, Derek |
Author: | Keyser Soze [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
Kevin Kiermaier: 31st round pick out of Parkland Junior College in Champaign, IL. You never know where you're gonna find a Big Leaguer. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
in a closely related topic, interview with new Mariners' GM Jerry Dipoto: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jerry-di ... direction/ On implementing a run-prevention model: “We see ourselves as a run-prevention club. You can create a lot of advantage playing good defense. We also see our overall team defense as our biggest area in need of improvement. We want to get more athletic and more defensive-oriented in the positions where we can. “[Statcast] creates a different target list in what we’re looking for in free agency, and in trades. A few players have crawled up my leaderboard of appealing players. You still have to be able to play some offense in order to play every day, but we’re learning more and more about [defensive] value, because we’re able to carve the data. “The unique thing about defensive data is that it’s very hard, in a one-year sample, to truly define what it means. You need sample size. Is it years of data? Probably. But we’re to the point now where we have some real numbers, and that’s why we’re starting to see trends. Player value is going to change as a result. “Most teams have a run-prevention model, it’s a matter of how much they subscribe to it. Most of it is going to be predicated on ballpark. You’re much more likely to build a run-prevention model in a park like ours, or Dodger Stadium, or the Big A, than you would in say Baltimore. It’s a different model.” |
Author: | Rod [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:45 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: "You’re much more likely to build a run-prevention model in a park like ours, or Dodger Stadium, or the Big A, than you would in say Baltimore.” Yeah, because it's harder to hit in those parks. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
I find it inneresting that MLB has kept their defensive Statcast data private. I wonder why. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hatchetman wrote: "You’re much more likely to build a run-prevention model in a park like ours, or Dodger Stadium, or the Big A, than you would in say Baltimore.” Yeah, because it's harder to hit in those parks. but this is what I am advocating the Sox to build for next year. I could be wrong but it won't be worse than the guys who weren't hitting or defending last year |
Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:22 pm ] |
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George Carlin would have added the phrase "advanced metrics" to one of his bits when it is used in reference to fielding metrics. They are advanced in the same way the Neanderthal who slept on a bed of leaves rather than the ground was advanced. |
Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Hatchetman wrote: "You’re much more likely to build a run-prevention model in a park like ours, or Dodger Stadium, or the Big A, than you would in say Baltimore.” Yeah, because it's harder to hit in those parks. Wouldn't it make more sense to build a run-prevention model in a hitter's park? The effectiveness of someone like Kiermaier would seem to be limited somewhat in a pitcher-friendly park...wouldn't you want to maximize his abilities? It reminds me of when Augusta lengthened the course to "Tiger-proof" the Masters after he destroyed the field in 1997. The opposite effect happened...Tiger continued to dominate because the longer yardage made his superior driving distance even more of an advantage. If they had shortened the course, his advantage would have been somewhat negated and players with better short games would have been helped. |
Author: | Apologist [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
badrogue17 wrote: Never did like it when it was given out to coincidentally the best hitter at the position instead of best fielder . See Jeter, Derek How about the year a DH got the award? |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Gold Gloves are Finally Going to the Best Fielders |
badrogue17 wrote: Never did like it when it was given out to coincidentally the best hitter at the position instead of best fielder . See Jeter, Derek You sound just like your hero, BernStine. |
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