Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion?
He's second behind Gordie Howe.
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | What's the most important hockey statistic? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:41 am ] |
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Wins |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:48 am ] |
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So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:41 am ] |
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Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:26 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. Third behind Howe and Mario Lemieux. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:41 am ] |
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Darkside wrote: Wins This will always be the right answer |
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| Author: | Chus [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:44 am ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: Darkside wrote: Wins This will always be the right answer JORR wins again. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:44 am ] |
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Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? You're saying as an individual statistic? Depends on the position. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:10 am ] |
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Gretzky is the all-time scoring leader before you even count the goals. "But goalies were bad in the '80s!" Sure, and the NHL Gordie Howe played most of his career in was a bullshit six-team league in which two of the six (Black Hawks and Rangers) were glorified farm clubs and you could fill out your rosters with chain-smoking hosers while most of the world couldn't come and play. So it's whatever. Lots of great players, but Gretzky is undeniably #1. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:19 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Gretzky is the all-time scoring leader before you even count the goals. "But goalies were bad in the '80s!" Sure, and the NHL Gordie Howe played most of his career in was a bullshit six-team league in which two of the six (Black Hawks and Rangers) were glorified farm clubs and you could fill out your rosters with chain-smoking hosers while most of the world couldn't come and play. So it's whatever. Lots of great players, but Gretzky is undeniably #1. The argument would be that he wasn't a two-way player. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:20 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Gretzky is the all-time scoring leader before you even count the goals. "But goalies were bad in the '80s!" Sure, and the NHL Gordie Howe played most of his career in was a bullshit six-team league in which two of the six (Black Hawks and Rangers) were glorified farm clubs and you could fill out your rosters with chain-smoking hosers while most of the world couldn't come and play. So it's whatever. Lots of great players, but Gretzky is undeniably #1. The argument would be that he wasn't a two-way player. He really didn't have to be. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:58 am ] |
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Darkside wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Gretzky is the all-time scoring leader before you even count the goals. "But goalies were bad in the '80s!" Sure, and the NHL Gordie Howe played most of his career in was a bullshit six-team league in which two of the six (Black Hawks and Rangers) were glorified farm clubs and you could fill out your rosters with chain-smoking hosers while most of the world couldn't come and play. So it's whatever. Lots of great players, but Gretzky is undeniably #1. The argument would be that he wasn't a two-way player. He really didn't have to be. Fair enough, but I would argue that Howe had as good an all-around game as any forward you could name plus he was a Gretzky-type scorer within the context of the game when he played. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:05 pm ] |
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Goal differential is a pretty important team statistic. That tends to tell you who's for real and who isn't. Chicago ranks 9th, by the way. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:12 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Darkside wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Gretzky is the all-time scoring leader before you even count the goals. "But goalies were bad in the '80s!" Sure, and the NHL Gordie Howe played most of his career in was a bullshit six-team league in which two of the six (Black Hawks and Rangers) were glorified farm clubs and you could fill out your rosters with chain-smoking hosers while most of the world couldn't come and play. So it's whatever. Lots of great players, but Gretzky is undeniably #1. The argument would be that he wasn't a two-way player. He really didn't have to be. Fair enough, but I would argue that Howe had as good an all-around game as any forward you could name plus he was a Gretzky-type scorer within the context of the game when he played. Solid point. Damn. I kinda wanted to argue with you but your right goddamnit. |
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:53 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. Well, Gordie Howe does have a bridge named after him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordie_Ho ... nal_Bridge |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:55 pm ] |
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I was really going for individual hockey statistic but this is fine. |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:05 pm ] |
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Is plus/minus the weakest stat? It always pissed me off to hear a guy was -4, but when you looked at who else was on the ice for the four goals... |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:59 pm ] |
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+/- is an adequate glimpse for defensemen and defensive forwards but tells you much less about offensive or two-way forwards. Marcus Kruger won't have a high +/- but there's probably something wrong if it's out-and-out bad. |
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| Author: | SteveSarley [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:21 pm ] |
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I'd like to enter the name of Bobby Orr into the conversation. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:22 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: I'd like to enter the name of Bobby Orr into the conversation. He wins the most boring autobiography for sure. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:43 pm ] |
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Dan Bernstein wrote: Stanley Cup Championships.
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| Author: | Chus [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:44 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe.
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:51 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Dan Bernstein wrote: Stanley Cup Championships. Dan Bernstein wrote: Why do we have to talk about this? We should be quietly contemplating.
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| Author: | billypootons [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:55 pm ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: Is plus/minus the weakest stat? It always pissed me off to hear a guy was -4, but when you looked at who else was on the ice for the four goals... 
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:58 pm ] |
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Sexual assault allegations |
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| Author: | Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:54 pm ] |
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Conversion percentage on longer 5-on-3s, probably 30+ seconds. Conversely, ability to avoid getting into such longer 5-on-3s. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:13 pm ] |
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Gretzky is on another planet relative to the rest...Ruthian if you will. Most important stat? WAR |
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| Author: | shakes [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:57 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. This is an even dumber JORR hockey thought than when he said Hasek wasn't one of the all time great goalies. Gretzky is unarguably the greatest individual in the history of professional team sports. hockey, baseball, basketball, football..doesn't matter, list the best and gretzky puts everyone of their GOATS to shame. The guy has more goals than anyone else in history has total points! Think about that for a second. Howe was obviously amazing and the gold standard for NHL power forwards, but he can't even hold Gretzky's jock. Some people argue Orr, but those people are idiots. The Mt. Rushmore of Hockey has been set in stone for a while and the established order of the top 4 are Gretz, Orr, Lemieux, Howe (sometimes Howe is ahead of Mario). |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:03 pm ] |
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shakes wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. This is an even dumber JORR hockey thought than when he said Hasek wasn't one of the all time great goalies. Gretzky is unarguably the greatest individual in the history of professional team sports. hockey, baseball, basketball, football..doesn't matter, list the best and gretzky puts everyone of their GOATS to shame. The guy has more goals than anyone else in history has total points! Think about that for a second. Howe was obviously amazing and the gold standard for NHL power forwards, but he can't even hold Gretzky's jock. Some people argue Orr, but those people are idiots. The Mt. Rushmore of Hockey has been set in stone for a while and the established order of the top 4 are Gretz, Orr, Lemieux, Howe (sometimes Howe is ahead of Mario).  I never said Hasek wasn't one of the all-time greats. I said I thought there were a bunch of other guys who were better. You convinced me I was mistaken. You could be a little gracious about it. In this case, there are a lot of people who still consider Howe the greatest. |
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| Author: | shakes [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:11 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: shakes wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Spaulding wrote: So is Gretzky the greatest player in your opinion? He's second behind Gordie Howe. This is an even dumber JORR hockey thought than when he said Hasek wasn't one of the all time great goalies. Gretzky is unarguably the greatest individual in the history of professional team sports. hockey, baseball, basketball, football..doesn't matter, list the best and gretzky puts everyone of their GOATS to shame. The guy has more goals than anyone else in history has total points! Think about that for a second. Howe was obviously amazing and the gold standard for NHL power forwards, but he can't even hold Gretzky's jock. Some people argue Orr, but those people are idiots. The Mt. Rushmore of Hockey has been set in stone for a while and the established order of the top 4 are Gretz, Orr, Lemieux, Howe (sometimes Howe is ahead of Mario). I never said Hasek wasn't one of the all-time greats. I said I thought there were a bunch of other guys who were better. You convinced me I was mistaken. You could be a little gracious about it. In this case, there are a lot of people who still consider Howe the greatest. When have I ever been gracious about anything? There are not a lot of people who consider Howe the greatest. I'd bet less than 5 in the world and that includes his relatives. |
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