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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Bernsie will be on this tomorrow I bet. But fighting is getting stupider and stupider. And this didn't have to happen. Did you see him as he left the ice? He does however have a great stache. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
How is fighting getting stupider? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: How is fighting getting stupider? Because we know more and more about repeated head trauma and it's long term effects. Given the knowledge available, one could say that the league, in not banning fighting (at least a stiffer penalty than a 5 minute major) is liable. Knowledge equals liability. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Don't you kind of need fighting to control some of what goes on in the game? I know we, yes I said we, aren't built that way, but there seems there is value in it. I don't know about in the past...it seemed worse than it is now. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: Don't you kind of need fighting to control some of what goes on in the game? I know we, yes I said we, aren't built that way, but there seems there is value in it. I don't know about in the past...it seemed worse than it is now. Why do you need fighting in exactly one sport to control it? Wouldn't 10 game suspensions for fighting control what goes on in a game? |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
I think it helps to monitor the game at times. Less cheap shots, not beating up on some players. I don't like when it's used as a momentum/wake the team up type thing. Occasionally I like seeing when a player has had enough, but yeah I don't like when it leads to serious injury. Could be said for the whole sport though in some ways. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
So you're saying the refs and the NHL cannot control the game? |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Yes. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: Yes. Why are NHL officials uniquely unable to police the game when referees in every other sport have no problem? It's the way penalties are assessed, and suspensions and fines are assessed, ergo, the NHL can end it if they want to. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Hockey fights don't cause long term brain damage, the trauma caused by the brain slamming against the skull does. Ban skulls or ban brains but don't ban hockey fights. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
It's obvious. NHL doesn't want to do it because fighting appeals to the lowest common denominator hockey fan. Fights = money. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
No other sport allows the physical contact that hockey does with the continuance of play, not even football, imo. You'd almost have to eliminate checking if you wanted to take out fighting. I guess they have taken some steps with checking though. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Darkside wrote: It's obvious. NHL doesn't want to do it because fighting appeals to the lowest common denominator hockey fan. Fights = money. Doubt it. There don't seem to be a lot of lowest common denominator fans. I don't feel like fights are that common to attract a fan. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: No other sport allows the physical contact that hockey does with the continuance of play, not even football, imo. You'd almost have to eliminate checking if you wanted to take out fighting. I guess they have taken some steps with checking though. Maybe if fighting was only done to prevent additional injury, but it's not. It's done to fire up a dead team. It's done to get the crowd going. It's done AFTER someone gets hurt... I don't think the threat of fighting prevents any goonery to top tier players. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: Darkside wrote: It's obvious. NHL doesn't want to do it because fighting appeals to the lowest common denominator hockey fan. Fights = money. Doubt it. There don't seem to be a lot of lowest common denominator fans. I don't feel like fights are that common to attract a fan. I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
You want to stop the fighting I think you need to come down harder on the truly blood thirsty. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: You want to stop the fighting I think you need to come down harder on the truly blood thirsty. I'd buy that. Straight goonery is bad for hockey. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Then I'd be okay with it. If you don't take that out then I think you have to keep the fighting. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: Then I'd be okay with it. If you don't take that out then I think you have to keep the fighting. Right. I'm just saying that policing the game should be up to the refs and the league, not players. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Darkside wrote: Spaulding wrote: Then I'd be okay with it. If you don't take that out then I think you have to keep the fighting. Right. I'm just saying that policing the game should be up to the refs and the league, not players. The agenda of the players is pure....its purer than that of the league and the refs. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Darkside wrote: Right. I'm just saying that policing the game should be up to the refs and the league, not players. Right and I'm saying they aren't going to do it so you have to leave it to the players. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: Darkside wrote: Right. I'm just saying that policing the game should be up to the refs and the league, not players. Right and I'm saying they aren't going to do it so you have to leave it to the players. I guess we just need a brain injury lawsuit that the NHL is too stupid to defend like the NFL did to change things. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
That's grey area. Is the brain injury from checking? already illegal checking? fighting? Falling? Running in to a goal post? What do you take out and how much? |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Fighting should be rare and relevant. Get rid of the staged fights to "fire up the troops." The only use I have for a fight is when it's to truly beat the living shit out of a guy who took liberties with another player, like when John Scott murdered Engelland for a concussive hit on Kruger. I have no tolerance for anything less. |
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| Author: | Spaulding [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
I'm picking up what you are throwing down. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Anyway, this was just a freak accident, though it sounds like a very bad accident indeed. Hypothetically speaking, Parros could have been grabbed by the sweater and thrown to the ice face-first in any number of game situations. There are reasons to crack down on fighting, but I'm not certain this is one. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Darkside wrote: Spaulding wrote: How is fighting getting stupider? Because we know more and more about repeated head trauma and it's long term effects. Given the knowledge available, one could say that the league, in not banning fighting (at least a stiffer penalty than a 5 minute major) is liable. Knowledge equals liability. I'll carry over Dan's nonchalance with football players' health to hockey as well .... I don't mind the fighting in the least and don't have some hardon to (a) get rid of it, and/or (b) keep players "safe". They're not worried about it, so why the hell should I concern myself with it? Banning fighting doesn't "educate" anyone to a point farther than they already understand the risks involved, so it's a faux sentiment of concern not just of well-being but also of 'awareness'. Those other two fellas in their fight took a few seconds in the wind-up to decide if they were going to fight without their shields ... look, most of these fights aren't rabid assholery (e.g., gooning it up out of blinding rage), and there's seemingly no end to the unwritten "gentlemanly" rules on the ice which the vast majority of players seem to have constantly front-of-mind, so I don't see any wisdom in using a freak accident - regardless of context - as some rallying point for misplaced fakey concern. I absolutely do not want anyone (maybe Bertuzzi) to break their heads and be injured for life ... but I won't pretend it is something important to concern myself with. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
This discussion prompted me to watch "The Goon" last night. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Spaulding wrote: I think it helps to monitor the game at times. Less cheap shots, not beating up on some players. I don't like when it's used as a momentum/wake the team up type thing. Occasionally I like seeing when a player has had enough, but yeah I don't like when it leads to serious injury. Could be said for the whole sport though in some ways. Every other level of Hockey does not allow fighting. Including the Olympics. Somehow the Olympics do not spiral out of control every four years. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parros Injury, catalyst for NHL to ban fighting? |
Steve Yzerman, Ray Shero, Jim Rutherford, and Scotty Bowman all said it's time to get rid of fighting. That's a pretty powerful contingent in the league (even though Rutherford's teams always suck). |
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