How about guys who would have been locks had they played earlier/ longer:

Arvydas Sabonis
Sarunis Marcialonus

arguably, Drazen Petrovic

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Petrovic was just starting to reach his potential in the NBA when he died. Great player. He was the prototype of the rugged European players like Ginobili and Nocioni. If he could've gotten some playing time before reaching the Nets, he would've had a chance to establish himself.

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Possibly, if he wins a title or two with Boston. And your math is off a bit if you think Ray Ray is gonna be scoring 1200 points at the ages of 36 and 37. Thats 14.6 ppg, I dont see it when hes that old. His knees are already starting to give. Remember how quickly Gary Payton aged?

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I don't know if Marcillounuoouous (i'll never spell that right so screw it) would have been a HoF player...he was great, sure, but I thought of him more like a 6th man type

He could really score though

Remember how every national game Portland played, how the announcers would constantly remind us how awesome Sabonis was before his knees gave out?

No, but I dont think Vince will be in the league at 38, and I certainly dont see Ray throwing down 14.6 ppg after the age of 35.

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I wish basketball had a +/- stat like hockey.

I don't know, i watch these games with some of these "superstars" and the on court benefit to the team doesn't add up... keep in mind people seem to like roleplayers like Havlicek and Russell.

I mean if it's strictly career numbers, is Terry Cummings hall-worthy?

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That goes in line with a comment I made yesterday about Carmelo Anthony. The guy can flat-out fill it up offensively but personally I don't think he'll ever make a team better unless he changes his approach to the game. Unless that happens, forget about a HOF for him.

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KS, you are too numbers oriented. Who has had a better career, Vince Carter or Rasheed Wallace?

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There is a +/- category...it's on the box scores in Yahoo

I don't think ESPN shows it

Cool, have to check that out.

I mean, it's not all winning or being a model citizen, but it certainly isnt all numbers either.

The flipside re: the winning argument is, if it was based solely on that, Robert Horry would be in the Hall immeditely upon retirement

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As an aside, I think it's kind of weird how it's just the "Basketball Hall Of Fame", and that the NBA doesn't just have its own HoF

And hey, if Dick Vitale can get in for "contributions to the game", maybe Big Shot Rob can

Actually I try to avoid using stats as a basis for an argument. I think Chris Paul is the best PG in the league because he routinely outplays everyone he faces except Deron Williams, for some reason that dude has his number.

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Sorry, I took "Locks" to mean if their career ended today, would they be locks for the Hall of Fame, not if they continued on the current career pace, would they be HOFers. If that was the case, then Lebron is a LOCK. Still not sure about Ray Allen.

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LeBron is without a doubt a lock unless he gets a career ending injury in the near future. Ditto for Chris Paul.

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I'm with FF on this one. I think Hall of Famers have to pass the "eye test". While watching Ray Allen play, I never thought to myself, "this guy is a lock for the HOF." That counts for something. Maybe he's like the Raffy Palmeiro of the NBA...compiled nice numbers in relative obscurity.

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ray allen is a no doubt hall of famer... chris paul i say nay... rondo got a better chance than paul

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yeah and yao ming , well put him on the same list as taj gibson's chance at hall

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I think both of you can find uglier members.

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This guy will be #1 when he finally makes the HOF.

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LOCKS
1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Jason Kidd
6. Allen Iverson
7. Steve Nash
8. Vince Carter
9. Ray Allen

HIGHLY PROBABLE
10. Lebron James
11. Dwyane Wade
12. Dwight Howard
13. Chris Paul
14. Dirk Nowitzki
15. Tracy McGrady
16. Paul Pierce
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. Amare Stoutemire

Varying degrees of PROBABLE
19. Yao Ming
20. Marcus Camby
21. Deron Williams
22. Elton Brand
23. Josh Smith
24. Manu Ginobli
25. Rasheed Wallace
26. Chauncey Billups
27. Carlos Boozer
28. Josh Howard
29. Pau Gasol
30. Baron Davis
31. Andre Iguodola
32. Rashard Lewis
33. Ron Artest
34. Danny Granger
35. Caron Butler
36. Antwan Jamison
37. Kevin Martin[/quote]

I don't see how Josh Smith,Baron Davis,Andre Igoudola, Elton Brand, and Josh Howard going to hall of fame. Out of all those guys together have 5 NBA All-Star Appearances, 2 NBA ALL-TEAM appearences, and no championships. Plus Tracy Mcgrady has been stricken with injury (like Grant Hill) and Yao Ming is going to the Chinese hall of fame for sure. Plus what team would Vince Carter go into hall of fame as (Nets or Raptors who he backstabbed).

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I'd have to say this list is respectable.
I see CP3 on your list, what about D Rose. he has every bit of the same chance to be a HOFer as CP3.
I would Exclude any of these guys from even the thought of HOF.
Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Ron Artest Yao Ming, T Mac

Who will play more minutes by their career's end Yao Ming of Greg Oden
Yao Mings body of work will not allow him to be ellected, unless the chinese are allowed to vote??? All star...Really?!

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tmac has zero chance @hall off fame

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what are robert horry chances at the hall of fame?

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yeah i agree... bet a friend of mine some cash that he will not get in, pretty much a 6th man who hit huge shots in huge games. but half the people in the room actually said he is getting in

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The NBA HOF is probably the biggest joke in all sports. Considering guys like Reggie Miller and Dominque didn't get in their first time around.

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