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 Post subject: Re: Castro
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:41 pm 
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ramirez is becoming more of a disappointment the longer he stays here.

his decent picks have not come close to how badly some of them have turned out. but i will not put the nomar one on him; that was just unfortunate.

Is this what they're saying on WIP?


no, they're saying much more interesting things on WIP.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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he's gone from one of the most deadliest hitters to just being dead. what difference does it make. he has been quiet in the most dire times for this team.

and with the pirates owning the cubs lately, it's just poetic justice.

Aside from his injury he's been more or less lethal since they got him. He's going to be very good this year. I disagree with your assessment of him.
2009:
BA OBP SLG OPS317 .389 .516 .905

Then that shoulder injury. Last year he wasn't fully recovered. He'll have a good year.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:44 pm 
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W_Z wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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ramirez is becoming more of a disappointment the longer he stays here.

LAUGH OUT LOUD!

What are you talking about Willis?


I mean he is getting frustrating

But that trade was a Win and a half


One of the most lopsided trades in MLB in the last ten years.


he's gone from one of the most deadliest hitters to just being dead. what difference does it make. he has been quiet in the most dire times for this team.

and with the pirates owning the cubs lately, it's just poetic justice.

Believe he hit a grand slam in the first inning of a game that put them up 3-1 to go to the world series


Not his fault what happened after that


But fine

I refuse to argue FOR Hendry


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Darkside wrote:
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he's gone from one of the most deadliest hitters to just being dead. what difference does it make. he has been quiet in the most dire times for this team.

and with the pirates owning the cubs lately, it's just poetic justice.

Aside from his injury he's been more or less lethal since they got him. He's going to be very good this year. I disagree with your assessment of him.
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BA OBP SLG OPS317 .389 .516 .905

Then that shoulder injury. Last year he wasn't fully recovered. He'll have a good year.

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Does Allah even like baseball or is his game Cricket?

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Does Allah even like baseball or is his game Cricket?

He threw the curveball that Jesus can't hit.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Believe he hit a grand slam in the first inning of a game that put them up 3-1 to go to the world series


how long ago was that? i didn't say he's been bad the whole time. i said he's getting more disappointing the longer he stays here.


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Believe he hit a grand slam in the first inning of a game that put them up 3-1 to go to the world series


how long ago was that? i didn't say he's been bad the whole time. i said he's getting more disappointing the longer he stays here.

Yeah but the trade is long since banked as a win

You were talking or responding about the acquisiton

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W_Z wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Believe he hit a grand slam in the first inning of a game that put them up 3-1 to go to the world series


how long ago was that? i didn't say he's been bad the whole time. i said he's getting more disappointing the longer he stays here.

Christ, according to Brain, he only got three runs for his grandslam. Therefore, Hendry sucks.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
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Believe he hit a grand slam in the first inning of a game that put them up 3-1 to go to the world series


how long ago was that? i didn't say he's been bad the whole time. i said he's getting more disappointing the longer he stays here.

Christ, according to Brain, he only got three runs for his grandslam. Therefore, Hendry sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Mr. Reason wrote:
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how long ago was that? i didn't say he's been bad the whole time. i said he's getting more disappointing the longer he stays here.

Christ, according to Brain, he only got three runs for his grandslam. Therefore, Hendry sucks.

3-1 in the series Grandpa

I said I was almost old enough to be your daddy, not your grandfather. You little fuck...

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Yeah but the trade is long since banked as a win

You were talking or responding about the acquisiton

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not that big of a win.

now remember. don't drive and bake.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Marmol was signed as a shortstop. I'm sure Hendry oversaw his move to pitcher.
Ramirez was a Dave Littlefield fleece for money.
Soto hasn't really impressed me that much, other than his rookie year.

Fuck off.


marmol never played shortstop, he mainly played catcher in the lower levels of the cubs system.

soto hit .280 with an .890 OPS last year. i was more impressed with him last year than i was with his rookie year. his OPS and OBP both were better in '10 than they were in '08. i was mostly impressed that he was able to adjust from a crappy 09 and show he was a legitimate big league catcher with a solid season behind the plate.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Stone: Castro’s Future Not At Shortstop

April 4, 2011 10:50 AM

The Chicago Cubs lost a tough game on Sunday afternoon, and partly because of a defensive play by 21-year old shortstop Starlin Castro.

Castro’s unnecessary throw to first pulled Carlos Pena off the bag and led to two runs scoring.

It’s plays like the one on Sunday that are making some wonder if Castro has the defensive skills to remain at shortstop, or if a position change is in his future.

“When I look at Castro, and realize what a good hitter Castro is going to be, I’d like to see him perhaps, eventually at second base,” Steve Stone said on the Mully and Hanley Show. “I don’t think he has the consistency to play shortstop for you. I think he has a chance to be an impact hitter and perhaps a run producer as he fills out a little bit.”


It’s the offensive ability that has Castro in the Major Leagues at such a young age, he’s the youngest play in baseball right now.

On the young season, Castro has eight hits in 13 plate appearances, including a double, two triples a walk and a RBI. Last season, as a 20-year old rookie, he had a .300 batting average, .755 OPS, 31 double, five triples and three home runs.

“I’d like to see a shortstop who picks everything up and throws the guy out consistently, otherwise you lose some games,” Stone said. “And Hak-Ju Lee is going to be that guy, eventually he’ll be that guy. Now he’ll be that guy for Tampa Bay.”

Lee was one of the prospects that the Cubs sent to the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for Matt Garza.


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Stone should be prohibited from talking about the Cubs.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Stone should be prohibited from talking about baseball.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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As bad as the hitting is, they arent going to be good.


So the focus on Castro is even stronger. He has GOT to start improving defensively. I mean these throws are just stupid. Not sure you can say he'll learn not to do that. He should know that already.

He just turned 21. I have been watching baseball long enough to know that defensive sense can be the last thing to click.

He'll be fine.


exactly

if Shawon Dunston matured, so will Castro

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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if Shawon Dunston matured, so will Castro

He did? When did that happen? I remember Sha Won making bad throws and batting in the 240's.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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i think he matured into a 270-280 hitter after a rough first couple years. by the time he left the cubs, he was a pretty solid ballplayer.


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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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i think he matured into a 270-280 hitter after a rough first couple years. by the time he left the cubs, he was a pretty solid ballplayer.

Golly. Dude has like a career sub 300 OBP. You held your breath each time he fired off a zany ass throw. I think anyone remembering him being a solid player might be thinking of the good ol days with rose colored glasses.
Another Cub who did very little to be very loved.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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Castro will have a much better career than Dunston.

And Stone is so bitter.




castro now is a much better hitter than duntston at his best, castro reminds me of hanley ramirez.. hanley sucked in the field and is serviceable now..but one of the best hitters in baseball.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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you remembered he hit in the 240's. i reminded you that at the end of his run with the cubs he hit much better than that. nothing rose-colored about it, its a fact.

his obp was low and he made a of bad throws, but he improved throughout his career. that being said he was a pretty solid ss, you could do better, you could do worse.


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you remembered he hit in the 240's. i reminded you that at the end of his run with the cubs he hit much better than that. nothing rose-colored about it, its a fact.

his obp was low and he made a of bad throws, but he improved throughout his career. that being said he was a pretty solid ss, you could do better, you could do worse.

Then he's average, not "solid" and he couldn't get on base. Not good.

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 Post subject: Re: Castro
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wow, you can find an argument anywhere. good for you!


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man of few opinions wrote:
wow, you can find an argument anywhere. good for you!

I will argue with anyone who thinks of Dunston as a "solid ballplayer" because it's just not true.

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I will argue with anyone who thinks of Dunston as a "solid ballplayer" because it's just not true.

Well in his defense, if he is comparing Dunston to only other Cubs players, he might be right :lol:

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Darkside wrote:
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wow, you can find an argument anywhere. good for you!

I will argue with anyone who thinks of Dunston as a "solid ballplayer" because it's just not true.

If Castro becomes Shawon Dunston, I'm revoking my Cub fan membership.

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This is getting irritating. He's a shortstop. Guy's gotta start fielding the ball.

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the only point i was making is that dunston was not a .240 hitter, and he improved each year right up until his last with the cubs. his last season or 2 with the cubs he was a solid, not outstanding, shortstop. he doesnt belong in the hall of fame. his jersey number should not be retired. they should not build a statue for him.


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Right now,Castro reminds me of former Cub,Bill Madlock. He was a great hitter,not so great at 3rd.

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