Did I miss something? I thought the Cubs won last night.

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Whoever wins, we lose.

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I didn't say they lost.
But they did need a 4 out save from marmol in order to recover from the bad bullpen that they wanted to save for today to back up a pitcher expected to be not good.

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Goose Gossage used to get 3 innings saves all the time. The bullpen needs to nut up.

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Take it easy there little guy.
We're not concerned at all with the rising usage and pitch counts of the only real asset to this bullpen/team in general?
Marmol is the best thing they got going.
And also, since you missed the whole point, they overtax the back end of the bullpen because they needed him to recover from the bullpen blowing a lead in a game in which they didn't want to overtax the bullpen to save it for the next day in which they expect to need to overtax teh bullpen.

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I guess I missed all the games where Gossage threw like Marmol does.
How did I miss those? DAMNIT!

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I was just pointing out that you said you cared about winning today and worrying about tomorrow tomorrow. Quade left Dempster in as long as he did because outside of Marmol and Marshall I dont think he trusts anyone in the bullpen. He was trying to win that game, unfortunately Dempster didnt do him any favors.

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Oh and to make it CLEAR!
I don't advocate firing Quade... but he's being exposed for what he is early this season I think.
ANYWAY, might as well have Quade, because this team even with awesome coaching/managing is still a .500 team at best.

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Right. You're getting close to what I was trying to say... the reason Demp was in was to save the bullpen. But his being in meant that the bullpen was used more heavily than they would have liked to. Leaving Demp in as long as they did meant having their strongest presence in the bullpen get overextended, or shall I say throwing longer and more pitches than they would have liked. Turn that gave over to the pen in the 7th with a 4 run lead and maybe you don't even NEED Marmol yesterday.
He managed himself all back asswards in that game.
In my opinion.
But I don't want him farrd!

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I would more or less be shocked if the Cubs win 82 games this year. I don't think that's even a realistic goal.
I could be pleasantly surprised. But I doubt it. What I'm saying is that Quade certainly won't manage them into winning any games that they wouldn't have won on talent.

NEWS ITEM: Quade to review signals today!!!

That's the sign of a well managed team folks.

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I see what you are saying but in my opinion I think a tired Dempster is better than the non-Marmol part of their bullpen at this point. That opinion was proved wrong this time but I dont know if it was a bad idea. You didnt want to have to use Marmol or Marshall but Dempster shit the bed and forced your hand.

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Ok, we can discuss the merit of having a complete rookie coach the 5th most expensive team in the league.
Personally, I don't really think that it's a great idea learning on the job in one of the hottest sports markets in the United States. Of course that's not Quade's fault, but true regardless.
And by the time you are managing a MLB team, there's no 11 day "I can't believe they expect things of me" ramp.

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quade was the cheapest option and he will be gone with hendry very soon, castro is the only reason to even tune in an watch this train wreck..80 wins in this division is not difficult..the fun starts when the schedule gets harder i anticipate some long losing streaks starting in may when the schedule begins to get harder..quade is in over his head and it will show, this team is no damn good

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My beef is that Demp HAD to be really fucking tired going into that 7th. Ramirez' boner cost him 16 extra pitches at the end of the 6th. You gotta know your players better as a manager.
This one, along with the missed signals games, go as a -1 each on his record as a manager. Of the games they won, I don't think I saw a managing decision really affect the outcome to give him a +1. In other words, hes managed his teams into more losses than wins, overall record aside.

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Quade isn't in this position to win a championship now.
What he is however is:

1.Cheap
2.Not Lou
3.There to develop young players
4.There to instill a work ethic and a focus on fundamentals
5.There to get this team from point a to point b while shitty contracts expire.

When, if ever, this team is ready to contend he will not be the one leading them most likely.

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Who cares?
The owner for one. He's nervous. What do you think a businessman will do with a team when they have high payroll, a bad record, and the lowest attendance in 10 years? Do you think honestly that with sagging interest in the club from the public he's going to do what TT did? Just blow more money into the team?
Who cares? You should dude. You should care that they got no real chance of winning anything, an owner beginning to lose his ass and a manager who doesn't really appear to have a handle on the job.
The window is closed for quite some time in my opinion, and this is just the beginning of a period of suck.

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+5

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Quade made the right call leaving Dempster in as long as he did. The fact that the decision ultimately backfired is just called baseball.

Considering Houston's offense, James Russell starting today and the lead you had,, Quade needed to give Demp a chance to finish out the inning. I don't blame him for this one bit.

Byrd's stolen base attempt remains as a -1 though

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If the Cubs are so concerned about overtaxing the bullpen, why are they going with this idea of starting Russell for 3 innings or so then the parade of relievers after that. Bring up someone from AAA to start and have him go five innings or so. If you need to sacrifice a game, then sacrifice today's game. Then have your bullpen somewhat rested for wednesday so you can maybe take a series.

The last thing I want to hear Wednesday is the old, "well the bullpen is worn out and some arms aren't available."

I cant wait to bump this thread when they win the division.

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How is Quade an unknown, rookie manager? What about the games he managed last year? I'm not advocating firing him, either, nor will I be surprised by any managing mistakes.

You make an excellent point and I totally get where you're coming from. I disagree with you because fundamentally, I think you play the game in front of you and then worry about the next day. Maybe in late July or later you start worrying about saving pen guys for tomorrow.
That being said I don't like Marmol being needed for 4 out saves. That's got bad news written all over it. Fuckin pens got a couple guys that Quade will not put in even under desperation situations. They're only coming in under mopup rules. That's certainly not Quade's fault, but it don't help him none either.

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On this Dempster decision.......If he has 102 through 8 then I leave him in for the 9th. He had 102 through 6 though, which means he was laboring. I wouldn't have pushed it right now. He wasn't very sharp in his first 2 starts so a nice 6 inning 1 run game would be good to get under his belt right now. In the end this means nothing and they won they game anyways. My bigger concern is why are they going with this stupid bad bullpen pitcher day? Just bring up Diamond already. The I cubs will survive without him for a few days.

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Right.
Don't forget, he didn't cruise through the 6th either. I think he threw over 25 in the 6th... maybe more. I read he threw 16 after the error.

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Both UMN and Darko make good points.

I think you have to trust that Dempster is a veteran and that he understands the situation the team is in with Wells/Cash on the DL. He was definitely laboring, but hopefully he won't take the additional runs as a hit on his confidence since he does have a track record of being a moderately effective starting pitcher.

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Team Cutler.

The current situation with the Cubs is they have an owner who has no business owning the team...a GM who has no business being the GM...& a Manager who has no business being the Manager. Other than that, everything's great!

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

I only agree with one of these statements.

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Here's an interesting split...
ERA by inning (career)
1st 5.14
2nd 3.11
3rd 4.52
4th 4.57
5th 5.44
6th 4.02
7th 5.11

Now I think that his inflated 5th inning shows that he gets gassed around then as a starter... I think his lower 6th inning shows more bullpen stats than starter stats... but wow he likes to get behind early huh?

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You'll come around on Ricketts & Quade.

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Hey Quade, do you think you need to make a pitching change? Maybe get a guy ready in the bullpen? Learned that one yet??