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No, you pretty much got it wrong there.

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No, you pretty much got it wrong there.

Good thing you are here to let everyone know when they do something either way.

Thanks, Viscount!

What are you talking about? You took it upon yourself to critique me and I wasn't even talking to you. Since you didn't get the reference, I simply tell you you're wrong on your critique. Then you say shit to me as if I started with you?
Why are you so obsessed with me? You're creeping me out with the way you stalk me here.

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Probably because I don't like you, but see :24 for my actual answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-ZZvdAKzQ

So your deal is that you're going to stalk me around the board?
That's probably going to turn out real well for you.
I'm not clicking on your link as I really don't much care.
Later, dude.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:52 pm 
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Denied.
You have to provide cirt of birth to get a drivers license or to get government help why not for public office.
I am not saying The pres is from Kenya or Indonesia but why not just present the thing and be done with it. He has been back there at least 3 times during his term, Christmas. All this does is make it easier for people to have doubts about him, we know less about his background than any previous person holding that office. His presidential library is going to be one empty building when it is built, let him put it in Hawaii.


Why am I not surprised that chaspoop is a birther? The birth certificate is there for those who want to see it. If he really wasn't born here, wouldn't Newt Gingrich, John McCain, or another big shooter from the GOP have made an issue of this during the campaign? It seems like a good strategy on Obama's part, to keep letting lunatics like Palin, Trump, and now Charlie Sheen scream about nonsense like this.

http:// www. snopes. com /politics / obama / birthcertificate.asp

Look into it a little further. Snopes? Snopes and Wikipedia do not a well-researched paper make. Like Global Warming, the mainstream media in general - whose powers and privileges, when you get down to brass tacks, are held by a select few powerbroker individuals and corporations - wants gang-up to pony up that doc they provided as something it is not. It is not an Official Certificate of Birth.

It's not about the facts, it's about embarrassing "birthers" into submission and keeping others from looking too far down the rabbit hole by creating a negative stigma upon those who question official claims. See "Truthers" as well.


So what evidence are you relying on to claim that various "powerbrokers" have "ganged up" to forge Obama's birth certificate? What evidence do you have to invalidate the validation of the Obama birth certificate provided at factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html)? I'm not trying to be confrontational but am simply curious.

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Why is this still an issue, two and a half years later?

There's still people who think the moon landing was faked.
That the CIA killed Kennedy.
That the OWN channel was a good idea.

They're just silly things to believe in.


I agree with 2 of those 3 things :D


You think the OWN channel was a good idea :shock: :shock: :shock:

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There's still people who think the moon landing was faked.
That the CIA killed Kennedy.
That the OWN channel was a good idea.

They're just silly things to believe in.


I agree with 2 of those 3 things :D


You think the OWN channel was a good idea :shock: :shock: :shock:

What's the OWN channel?

Seriously

I have no idea what the hell that is.

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I assumed the Oprah Winfrey Network, but that was just my guess.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I assumed the Oprah Winfrey Network, but that was just my guess.

That seems like an awful idea...who the fuck would want to watch her all day?!?

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I assumed the Oprah Winfrey Network, but that was just my guess.

That seems like an awful idea...who the fuck would want to watch her all day?!?


Idiots

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
actcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html)? I'm not trying to be confrontational but am simply curious.

I explained this already. They did not provide what was requested.

For example: If I ask you for your driver's license, and you indeed HAVE a driver's license, yet you provide me with a Xerox copy of your State ID, you have not produced the proper documentation.

Also, what about the transcripts, student loan/fellowship, and other undisclosed info?[/quote]

Your response doesn't make sense to me in the context of the article I reference.

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actcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html)? I'm not trying to be confrontational but am simply curious.

I explained this already. They did not provide what was requested.

For example: If I ask you for your driver's license, and you indeed HAVE a driver's license, yet you provide me with a Xerox copy of your State ID, you have not produced the proper documentation.

Also, what about the transcripts, student loan/fellowship, and other undisclosed info?


Your response doesn't make sense to me in the context of the article I reference.[/quote]

I should also add that you haven't addressed my first question.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I assumed the Oprah Winfrey Network, but that was just my guess.

That seems like an awful idea...who the fuck would want to watch her all day?!?


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well they are synonyms.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
I never made the outright claim you stated in your first question, so please let's just stick to the print and let's not put words in each others' mouths.

Also, we do not get to the level of validation of the document he propounded because IT IS NOT THE REQUESTED DOCUMENT.

Here is a detailed address of the factcheck and snopes claims, though: http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2008/12/ ... aught.html

Put forth that which was requested, plus all supplementary educational and background information, and allow for proper forensic analysis of such items, and then we can move on after it passes such scrutiny.

Rules are rules, plus enough people dearly care about unequivocal truth regarding this matter, and this man, like it or not, represents the will of said people: so GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, MR. O!


1)So when you write "Like Global Warming, the mainstream media in general - whose powers and privileges, when you get down to brass tacks, are held by a select few powerbroker individuals and corporations - wants gang-up to pony up that doc they provided as something it is not," you are not claiming that various "powerbrokers" have forged a birth certificate and promoted it as authentic? What else could you mean when you say they ponied "up that doc they provided as something it is not?"

2)It seems to me that much of the article you cite relies on semantic confusion between what is alternately referred to as the "original" or "official" birth certificate. Why is an official (ie legal) birth certificate not sufficient to prove Obama's country of birth? And what do you define as his "original" birth certificate?

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Wow. TM dominating in this thread.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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I never made the outright claim you stated in your first question, so please let's just stick to the print and let's not put words in each others' mouths.

Also, we do not get to the level of validation of the document he propounded because IT IS NOT THE REQUESTED DOCUMENT.

Here is a detailed address of the factcheck and snopes claims, though: http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2008/12/ ... aught.html

Put forth that which was requested, plus all supplementary educational and background information, and allow for proper forensic analysis of such items, and then we can move on after it passes such scrutiny.

Rules are rules, plus enough people dearly care about unequivocal truth regarding this matter, and this man, like it or not, represents the will of said people: so GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, MR. O!


1)So when you write "Like Global Warming, the mainstream media in general - whose powers and privileges, when you get down to brass tacks, are held by a select few powerbroker individuals and corporations - wants gang-up to pony up that doc they provided as something it is not," you are not claiming that various "powerbrokers" have forged a birth certificate and promoted it as authentic? What else could you mean when you say they ponied "up that doc they provided as something it is not?"

2)It seems to me that much of the article you cite relies on semantic confusion between what is alternately referred to as the "original" or "official" birth certificate. Why is an official (ie legal) birth certificate not sufficient to prove Obama's country of birth? And what do you define as his "original" birth certificate?

1. No, I meant exactly what I wrote (see emphasis for clarification):

Like Global Warming, the mainstream media in general - whose powers and privileges, when you get down to brass tacks, are held by a select few powerbroker individuals and corporations - wants gang-up to pony up that doc they provided as something it is not.

I spoke of the media holding up the propounded doc copies and declaring a premature end to the debate.

Your statement alleges that I claimed a "forging" - not true.

2. You are oversimplifying the cite I offered. It did answer your original question, though. I think a re-read will show that the explanations offered therein stand up to your scrutiny on their own, so I need not appropriate their work as mine own. Yet, if you have more pertinent follow-up questions I can research them for you and attempt to satisfy your wonderfully-voracious appetite for truth!


1)You are not being accurate. Your statement makes it clear that you are saying that the various unnamed powerbrokers provided a somehow false document--that is, unless your sentence is grammatically incorrect, in which case you should clarify your pronoun-antecedent references.

2)I have re-read the article you reference and do not find it persuasive. One problem is that it contains links to a supporting document that apparently does not exist. Another problem is that it questions Obama's citizenship by arguing that Hawaiian law allows foreign births to be registered within the state and thus Obama could have been born outside the U.S. But his birth certificate lists the location of his birth as taking place in Hawaii, so the registration argument as constructed in the article you reference carries no weight.

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Wow. TM dominating in this thread.


You cannot stop Tall Midget, you can only hope to contain him.

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Wow. TM dominating in this thread.


You cannot stop Tall Midget, you can only hope to contain him.
Maybe he can chase him from the board like you did to Seacrest.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:23 pm 
Here's a thought. How about one of you birthers prove BHO was NOT born here? That's what's baffling about this. He's obviously proven to TPTB that he is a citizen. There are numerous articles explaining that. For fucks sake, even the REPUBLICAN in charge of the Hawaii vital records has said it's real and is sick of this shit. But not one birther person can actually prove he wasn't born in Hawaii.

Even Michelle Bachman has jumped off the bandwagon. That should tell you something.

Although now Sarah Palin has jumped on it. Talk about somebody who shouldn't be throwing stones.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:52 pm 
Hey dipshit. The top official in the records dept in HI is a big time Republican. Stumped a lot for McCain. You'd think if anybody would be keeping this going she would.

And once again, please provide proof of guilt. All you've done is recycle the same tired old shit that has been dis proven time and time again.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:02 pm 
Panther have you bothered to educate yourself on this topic at all?


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Panther have you bothered to educate yourself on this topic at all?

Which topic would that be? :scratch:

BTW, which baseball team DO you like, BM?


The topic of the birth certificate which seems to be consuming you. Let me put it another way. If you, Panther Q. Bovifs, had been born in Hawaii, and called the state for a copy of your birth certificate, what would they send you?

And uhhhhh... the Cubs. Although what that has to do with this topic I have no idea.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:51 pm 
Why do you keep ignoring the policies of the State of Hawaii? It doesn't matter if it's Barack Obama or Panter Bovis. If you want a BC what you see pictured is what you're going to get. In the eyes of the State of Hawaii that is an official document. I don't think the officials of Hawaii can make it much clearer.


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For what it's worth, I have no idea what happened to my original birth certificate. I have a copy, which I ordered in 1996 when I needed it. Guess when it was stamped.....wait for it......1996! My "copy" looks eerily like the copy that Hawaii sends out. Maybe I was really born in Madagascar!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:14 pm 
Panther, after trying to reasonable i think this is a path you may understand much better. We all know you are a complete asshat. But this is bringing you to JimmyBatshit levels of mental deficiency.


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--Question of the Week: Why would BHO or his camp seek a confirmation or verification of a certified copy in lieu of the actual certified copy of the original? Especially in the personal instance, when he has a statutorily-defined right to all forms, original included? And, later on, when, under intense pressure to fully disclose, assuming again for some odd reason that B-HO did not have the info in his private collection, he still had the same defined, statutory right to easily obtain the genuine original info. . . why did he not procure it then?

What is the mainstream answer to that? - there has to be one, and I would love to see or hear it.



So a legally acceptable and officially recognized document has been provided as proof, but that legally accepted and officially recognized document is not enough?

I used my certified copy to get a passport. Are you saying that the US government shouldn't have issued me a passport because I only provided a certified copy of my certificate instead of the original?

You ask why he doesn't parade his original document out for all to see? Because he doesn't have to. He has already provided a legally acceptable and officially recognized document. End of story (unless you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist, which of course means that the story won't end).

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Come at me with facts...


Facts don't matter to you. You can't get past this glaring one:

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So a legally acceptable and officially recognized document has been provided as proof, but that legally accepted and officially recognized document is not enough?


And I'm not defending him per se, I'm defending common sense. I don't care what imaginary mysteries you care to focus on Scooby. The above statement ends the conversation.


I object!

Overruled.

I STRENUOUSLY object!

Oh, well in that case, since it's strenuous and all, sustained.

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