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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Watching the lowlites on Comcast right now and the Cub futility is even greater than I can have ever imagined.

So the Cubs don't know with 2 outs on a swinging third strike in the dirt you still have to apply the tag even with a runner on first?

Missed cut off men, errors on pitchers, not knowing the rules....my god this team should be ashamed of themselves.

Hey Hey Holy Mackeral Quade/Hendry are here to stay....


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Ricketts needs time to judge. That's what I was told by a bunch of guys on here when I demanded he fire Hendry & Lou LAST year when he came on board.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Ricketts needs time to judge. That's what I was told by a bunch of guys on here when I demanded he fire Hendry & Lou LAST year when he came on board.

Hendry has zero support on this board or anywhere except on the Ricketts payroll.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:35 am 
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Last season the All Knowing Mr. Baseball Elmhurst Steve told me how wrong I was when I posted MLB was a pile of shit because guys on the field had a bit of a problem.....they don't know how to play the fucking game.....There are more designated hitters than players.
This is not just confined to the Cubs.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Be chill man. This is a...developmental season. Treat it as such, you'll turn less hair gray.

If they had a developmental coaching staff, then yes, I could live with losing. But not with this incompetent bunch of clowns. This is flat out embarrassing.


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Be chill man. This is a...developmental season. Treat it as such, you'll turn less hair gray.

If they had a developmental coaching staff, then yes, I could live with losing. But not with this incompetent bunch of clowns. This is flat out embarrassing.


Who would you rather they hired to make it a 'developmental' coaching staff?

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Be chill man. This is a...developmental season. Treat it as such, you'll turn less hair gray.

If they had a developmental coaching staff, then yes, I could live with losing. But not with this incompetent bunch of clowns. This is flat out embarrassing.


Who would you rather they hired to make it a 'developmental' coaching staff?

Sandberg as manager to start with.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Sandberg as manager to start with.



How is he more developmental? Quade blows him away with coaching experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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And he would have been better how?

He'd be doing just as badly, and you'd claim how we should all give him time to learn.

He would be better based on the fact that the players would respect his pedigree and would respect his work ethic relative to stressing fundamental baseball. This is what Thibs does for the Bulls, i.e. stressing fundamental team defense first and foremost. And they repsect his Boston pedigree. What surprised people the most about Sandberg was how vocal he became as a manager. Instead we get Quade and his hand clapping and "back to the drawing board" post game quotes.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Sandberg as manager to start with.



How is he more developmental? Quade blows him away with coaching experience.

Years coaching is irrelevant. The quality of coaching is what matters. Quade was a career minor league coach until Hendry brought him to the big leagues. And I've seen nothing that tells me Quade is Mr. Coach or Mr. Teacher, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Sandberg as manager to start with.



How is he more developmental? Quade blows him away with coaching experience.

Years coaching is irrelevant. The quality of coaching is what matters. Quade was a career minor league coach until Hendry brought him to the big leagues. And I've seen nothing that tells me Quade is Mr. Coach or Mr. Teacher, etc.


Experience matters. Especially when it's in the minors which exists to teach players fundamentals. Quade has 839743 quotes stressing the importance of fundamentals, has a longtime baseball guy in Pat Listach as his bench coach.

Unfortunately, you can't shine shit. You aren't going to revolutionize someone's game when they are in the majors. They kind of are what they are

All teams stress fundamentals, do ground ball/outfield work every day. Nothing any coach in the world would do would make Soriano take better angles in the outfield etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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I disagree that there is nothing one can do. Didn't Bobby Cox pull Andrew Jones in the middle of an inning when Jones loafed? Didn't that set a tone that he would not tolerate this type of shit? I think his ATL managerial record speaks for itself. What has Quade done when Soriano loafs around the bases? When he nonchalantly goes after a fly ball and then misses it? Is he benched the next inning? Even Bob Brenly has taken issue with this lack of professionalism and the great Mike Quade does nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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And it is the quality of one's experience that matters, not years. Just because some guy has 35 tears in the sticks doesn't mean he'd be a great manager. Sometimes there are reasons why he lanquishes away in the minors...


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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I disagree that there is nothing one can do. Didn't Bobby Cox pull Andrew Jones in the middle of an inning when Jones loafed? Didn't that set a tone that he would not tolerate this type of shit? I think his ATL managerial record speaks for itself. What has Quade done when Soriano loafs around the bases? When he nonchalantly goes after a fly ball and then misses it? Is he benched the next inning? Even Bob Brenly has taken issue with this lack of professionalism and the great Mike Quade does nothing.


Jones was a kid with tremendous skills and poor effort. Soriano is old and has always sucked. Its not really an effort thing, its him being terrible at fielding. I would have benched him for a few games for Reed Cobb and Tony C. just to get some D out there as his hitting has started to fall off.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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You're right. Bobby Cox is a better manager than Mike Quade.

In his short time has manager, I can recall Quade benching/sitting Starlin Castro and Carlos Pena for on field performance.

What if he misses a fly ball? He's a terrible defender, he's going to do that. Benching him won't make him better at baseball. He was the only one hitting for any power for a month, you aren't going to bench him

Did Quade do something to you personally? You seem really passionate about him and this 2011 Cubs.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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You're right. Bobby Cox is a better manager than Mike Quade.

In his short time has manager, I can recall Quade benching/sitting Starlin Castro and Carlos Pena for on field performance.

What if he misses a fly ball? He's a terrible defender, he's going to do that. Benching him won't make him better at baseball. He was the only one hitting for any power for a month, you aren't going to bench him

Did Quade do something to you personally? You seem really passionate about him and this 2011 Cubs.

Dan, it's not worth it. You can't fix meatball-ness. It's an uncurable disease. Just let him perish.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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You're right. Bobby Cox is a better manager than Mike Quade.

In his short time has manager, I can recall Quade benching/sitting Starlin Castro and Carlos Pena for on field performance.

What if he misses a fly ball? He's a terrible defender, he's going to do that. Benching him won't make him better at baseball. He was the only one hitting for any power for a month, you aren't going to bench him

Did Quade do something to you personally? You seem really passionate about him and this 2011 Cubs.

LOL. I have nothing against Quade as person, but he is not a big league manager. Only under Jim Hendry would this guy even sniff the managers chair.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Just like Jim Hendry is a big league GM, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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I still wouldn't say he is a bad manager yet. He just needs to figure out how to run a big league pitching staff which is different from a minor league staff where as the position players are an easier transition.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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Just like Jim Hendry is a big league GM, right?

Correct.

Ok then.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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No wonder they suck. The Hendry/Quade Comedy Circus of Errors!


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs @ Reds 5/16-17
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In that ballpark, Cubs have a habit of taking the lead late and then losing it even later.



Wow. I don't recall this trend, but that was spot on.


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Only under Jim Hendry would this guy even sniff the managers chair.

I don't think I would wanna smell that chair after Lou had been sitting on it for 3 years

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