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You call him a nice rental and a bad apple all in the same sentence.

Other teams see the 'bad apple' aspect...they don't want to waste their resources on a guy having a below average year...who isn't hustling...and who costs a fair amount even for 2 months.

I don't see the Cubs trading him if they have to eat it.

They would get more in return for A-Ram than they did Bradley.

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Some teams may look at Ramirez and think that being in a new environment and in a pennant race may rejuvenate him.

So even if he is playing like a dog, that might not scare teams off.


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You call him a nice rental and a bad apple all in the same sentence.

Other teams see the 'bad apple' aspect...they don't want to waste their resources on a guy having a below average year...who isn't hustling...and who costs a fair amount even for 2 months.

I don't see the Cubs trading him if they have to eat it.

man. I like you and all but I don't think you know much about baseball.
The Cubs sat MILTON FUCKING BRADLEY for a month, said he was detrimental to the team and they still managed to trade him.
Yeah, he IS a bit of a bad apple on the CUBS. But if he's not in the field playing DH for some AL team in a playoff race, that changes things don't it?

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Aram and Soriano to the Angels for Vernon Wells. It ends up being almost and even trade.

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1. They traded him in the off-season. We're discussing a mid-season trade.
2. They traded him for an equally bad contract, not for salary relief or prospects.

How did you manage to make this comparison when the situations couldn't be farther apart from each other?

As Dethklok, you'd lose this argument.

1. It doesn't matter. Not even remotely. Not at all. In fact, I'm not advocating trading him, but to call him untradeable because he sat a few games a week is galactically stupid, which really is my only point.
2. And what's to say that they don't again? In fact, that trade was kinda lopsided toward the Cubs side if I recall. Wasn't exactly a straight swap for equally bad salaries.

An YOU don't get to decide who wins and loses and argument that you're in. You should know that .

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1. Yes it is...everyone is "benched" in the off-season, no one is playing. He wouldn't be 'rusty.'
2. I am to say they won't again. Ramirez isn't a bad clubhouse guy... they aren't going to trade for someone else's garbage. If he isn't traded as salary relief or for prospects, he won't be traded.

Okay DK, whatever you say.

I didn't say he was a bad clubhouse guy. Imaginary post reading. And I still maintain, as was my original point, that sitting him a couple games has zero effect on his trade value. Zero. If it were possible to have less than zero effect that is what it would do.
Firstly, he's still a very dangerous hitter.
Secondly, a change of scenery might do him good, but most importantly, if he's DHing in the AL on a contending team I could see him getting smoking hot. You can tell he doesn't want to play hard on this dog of a team. That's why I called him a "bad apple", little fielding effort, not really running hard blah blah blah, not saying he's a bad clubhouse guy. I think he looks bored.

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Back to back starts in LF for DeWitt? And Quade was supposed to be a good developmental guy for the young kids? WTF??!!


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Back to back starts in LF for DeWitt? And Quade was supposed to be a good developmental guy for the young kids? WTF??!!


Everyday that goes by makes it harder for me to defend him... :x

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Back to back starts in LF for DeWitt? And Quade was supposed to be a good developmental guy for the young kids? WTF??!!



why is this surprising? he suffocated Hoffpauir last year by starting Nady everyday at first...the guy is dumb

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You guys see DeWitt's impersonation of Soriano today?
Liner hit to mid left, DeWitt takes a big step back, then sprints in as it drops 5 feet in front of him.
It was perfect Soriano.

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Dewitt getting playing time is Hendry's call...it's the same thing they did with Cesar Izturis...they trade Maddux for Izturis, and they played him EVERYDAY

he was useless and had no future with the team

Im starting to think that Bully just wants to play these guys to justify getting them in a (bad) trade...that and/or to keep any kind of value they have from dwindling, in case they could be used as a trade piece

FUCK Bully Hendry...I wish he'd just let the guys manage

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as far as firing Quade, the hiring of Quade shows that Hendry was starry-eyed from Quade's record last year

this is what I was talking about last year with regards to signing free agents...and now it carried over to managers

I told u so

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as far as firing Quade, the hiring of Quade shows that Hendry was starry-eyed from Quade's record last year

this is what I was talking about last year with regards to signing free agents...and now it carried over to managers

I told u so


Henry hired Quade because he & Quade have been close personal friends for many years. The Cubs are a fraud. They have an owner who never ever should have been allowed to buy the team...they have a GM who doesn't deserve to still have his job...& they have a Manager who never ever should have been hired in the first place. This is quite a trio of suck.

Edit: Add Crane Kenny to the list of suckage.

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This is a minor issue, but yesterday after the game Quade was asked if he went to Zambrano to voice his concern about Zambrano breaking his bat over his leg.

Quade said no, that he doesn't need to tell Zambrano about that.

This bothered me, Quade your the manager. Go and tell him not to to that again. Show some spine.


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cpguy....good call in early April.

What a dipshit this guy is. I thought "why not give the no-namer a chance"? WRONG!!!!

There needs to be an organizational change in the way things are done, starting with that fucking G.M. Maybe Michael McRicketts will put a new G.M. at the top of his offseason to-do list, if he's not too occupied with urinals and buffalo burgers or whatever the hell it is he serves.


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cpguy....good call in early April.

What a dipshit this guy is. I thought "why not give the no-namer a chance"? WRONG!!!!

There needs to be an organizational change in the way things are done, starting with that fucking G.M. Maybe Michael McRicketts will put a new G.M. at the top of his offseason to-do list, if he's not too occupied with urinals and buffalo burgers or whatever the hell it is he serves.

Thanks. I knew once he left Dempster in that game in April that this guy had no clue and nothing he has done since indicates any different. As for Ricketts, I think the degree of suck that is this team will leave him with no choice but to axe both these Bozos. As to who he hires as the new GM, that will really be telling as like Mike McCaskey, Ricketts comes off as an idiot although not as pompous. This franchise is sinking deeper into the abyss of shit.


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I have lost all hope for Quade being a big league manager. He is acting like he is not so much catering to veterans but trying to not piss them off in hopes of avoiding losing the clubhouse. Dewitt should never play in the OF ever again. Have a fucking plan for when your pitchers hit the wall or relievers just don't have it. Stop making excuses and for the love....do not tell me about guys on the DL.

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Moreso than naming the new manager, what will be really telling is how the team handles the offseason amateur draft. Hopefully we see a significant investment in signing talent etc and keep developing the farm.

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Moreso than naming the new manager, what will be really telling is how the team handles the offseason amateur draft. Hopefully we see a significant investment in signing talent etc and keep developing the farm.

Remember last year, they went cheap and drafted Hayden Simpson who isn't doing shit. Don't look for Ricketts to invest heavily in young talent. Look for him to continue to pinch pennies to service the massive debt. The sad truth is this franchise is doomed unless you believe in miracles or blind luck.


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I predicted lousy ownership from Ricketts...but despite the economy teetering on the brink of a recession when he took over, I never imagined that attendance & interest would slip like it has. It's unreal really. Ricketts was stretched financially when he bought the team, but no one foresaw this kind of collapse. If this continues his ownership could seriously be in jeopardy. I never thought I would see the Cubs return to just-another-team status.
Consider this a necessary market adjustment that is good for fans.
The balance has certainly shifted from demand to supply.

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I predicted lousy ownership from Ricketts...but despite the economy teetering on the brink of a recession when he took over, I never imagined that attendance & interest would slip like it has. It's unreal really. Ricketts was stretched financially when he bought the team, but no one foresaw this kind of collapse. If this continues his ownership could seriously be in jeopardy. I never thought I would see the Cubs return to just-another-team status.
Consider this a necessary market adjustment that is good for fans.
The balance has certainly shifted from demand to supply.

Ricketts will last at least 5 more years but maybe we'll get lucky and his debt burden will crush him sooner.


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what debt?

the Cubs are still a cash cow...there 28 other teams that wish they could average 35,000 every game in april and may

the cubs are fine financially

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Rozner (seacrest??) takes MQ to task. Very good article:

Quade can start managing Cubs any time

For the casual baseball fan who's been caught up in basketball and hockey the last few months, there's something you ought to know before you spend some time with the Cubs.

This will probably come as a shock, but they aren't very good.

Advertisement And not even the reincarnation of John McGraw could manage the Cubs out of the mess they're in this year.

So, no, this is not Mike Quade's fault.

Nevertheless, they are at times an embarrassment and as the most public part of the show Quade has been a prominent feature.

Count me among those happy for a baseball lifer who finally got his chance to manage in the big leagues, rooting for the local kid made good, hoping a good guy could take advantage of a good opportunity.

But now you can count me among those wondering if he was ready for this, who think he's going to have a very short major-league career if he doesn't stop being pals with the players and start understanding he's their boss, not their friend.

He doesn't have to rip his players, but when he pretends the sky is blue as golf-ball sized hail is blasting holes in his sunshine-and-lollipops argument, fans think he's either clueless or dishonest.

Fans are not stupid, despite the belief most organizations have of their paying customers, and they can't be fooled by happy talk after a game that paints a pretty picture of an ugly performance.

Maybe Quade's afraid of losing players by telling the truth, but losing fans is also a big deal, and right now they've tuned out the postgame, excuse-making sessions.

Too many times we've heard it's hard to pitch when the wind's blowing out and hard to hit when the wind's blowing in. Other days, we're told it's too sunny, too cloudy, too hot or too cold.

The reality is he is too good with clichés and they are too bad at baseball.

This is not the minor leagues, and maybe what no one's told Quade is while the players claim to love him now, players don't really give a spit about anyone and they'll toss Quade under the bus as soon as necessary.

So he should be managing in a way that's best for the organization, not for the players, and that's how it's gone thus far.

No wonder the players wanted him back last fall, with Ryan Dempster saying, “He's one of us.”

So far, he has been one of them. He's their friend. He lets veteran starting pitchers decide how long they want to stay in games, and he's reluctant to move former stars out of key spots in the order despite poor performance. He doesn't bench the lazy and unproductive.

He seems unwilling to criticize or discipline, and when players know this they take advantage, which is what they've done.

There have been dozens of examples so far this year with “Demp,” “Garz,” “Z,” “Sori,” and “Rami,” to name just a few of his buddies.

And the most humiliating moment came Tuesday night when Quade allowed a bit of honesty to creep out in saying he didn't like Carlos Zambrano busting a bat over his leg.

He then caught himself and though he hadn't spoken to Zambrano, Quade quickly said that Zambrano also “doesn't like that.”

Really? Obviously Zambrano does like it, and when asked if he intended to talk to Zambrano about it, Quade said he didn't have to, avoiding the conversation and a possible confrontation.

When Zambrano was told the manager didn't like it, Zambrano said, “What manager?”

When told again that Quade thought it was a bad idea, Zambrano said, “That's OK. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. What can I do?”

Thing is, if players respect a manager and know he has their backs through sticking up for them on the field and with communication, they'll be able to handle a little truth in advertising.

If they can't, then the GM collected the wrong players.

It's just a shame that after waiting so long, Quade has chosen this route.

Yes, the Cubs have had injuries, but even before that Quade was enabling and coddling instead of teaching and managing — and the Cubs were fumbling and bumbling.

They are making the same fundamental mistakes and have the same mental approach they've had since the first day of spring training.

Down 4 runs in the bottom of the ninth Tuesday, World Series-winning manager Bob Brenly was baffled in the booth when Tony Campana led off the inning and grounded out on the first pitch.

Apparently, no one had suggested Campana needed to see a few pitches in that at-bat.

Not much of what's occurred is Quade's fault, but any time he wants to start managing — and maybe even play small ball since they can't hit home runs — it would be a welcome addition to the campaign.

And it might be beneficial to his career.

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Totes.

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what debt?

the Cubs are still a cash cow...there 28 other teams that wish they could average 35,000 every game in april and may

the cubs are fine financially


It doesn't matter to the Cubs how 28 other teams are doing. A business benchmarks itself & manages the business based on previous year performance & history. A business expects year over year growth every year. The Cubs are currently under performing compared to last year & this years forecast. The trend is not good for the Cubs. Negative growth is forecasted with no end in sight.
This is good for fans though & I am glad to see the insanity that the Cubs experience became come to a screeching halt.

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It doesn't matter to the Cubs how 28 other teams are doing. A business benchmarks itself & manages the business based on previous year performance & history. A business expects year over year growth every year. The Cubs are currently under performing compared to last year & this years forecast. The trend is not good for the Cubs. Negative growth is forecasted with no end in sight.
This is good for fans though & I am glad to see the insanity that the Cubs experience became come to a screeching halt.


I agree. While a lot of other teams would like to sell 35k each game, most of them also don't have $125m payrolls or have to service hundreds of million in debt, or maintain a crumbling ballpark.

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Off day today. Would be perfect if Ricketts had the stones to axe both Hendry and Quade. Wishful thinking of course.


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The current thinking seems to be that Ricketts and Hendry knew there was a good chance this season would be stillborn, so why throw Sandberg into an impossible situation. Quade can be launched at will, whereas Ryno would be more of a "lifetime" hire.

But as discussed this morning on M&H, this logic ignores the prime example of how it's not that difficult to remove legendary players when you think they can't cut it as a coach: Denis Savard.

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I think one reason Quade was selected by Hendry over Sandberg, is that it's probably not a problem to get Quade to go along with Hendry, when Jim says to play this guy....or give this guy a start here....whereas Sndberg would be more likely to say "you get me the players and I'll decide who to play and where they play and bat."

I'm kinda glad Sandberg did not get the job for just one reason...nobody could have contended with the steaming pile of dog shit Hendry put together. Better that Sandberg did not have deal with all this crap.

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I think one reason Quade was selected by Hendry over Sandberg, is that it's probably not a problem to get Quade to go along with Hendry, when Jim says to play this guy....or give this guy a start here....whereas Sndberg would be more likely to say "you get me the players and I'll decide who to play and where they play and bat."

I'm kinda glad Sandberg did not get the job for just one reason...nobody could have contended with the steaming pile of dog shit Hendry put together. Better that Sandberg did not have deal with all this crap.



exactly

Ive been saying this all along...it's all about Hendry's control issues...Sandberg woulda had none of it...until we get a normal GM, Sandberg would not want to work here

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