Sorry poor leagues. You guys don't get good players any more. This would be a great move both morally and strategically.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6564134

Ironically, the ones who will fight this are the "small schools that do it the right way" because they can't afford it.

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This sounds worse than it is. They used to give these kids laundry money back in the day. Now these kids get nothing to do the basics. A small stipend is not a big deal, in my opinion. It actually could help the small schools because many of them don't have the infrastructure to provide the amenities that a school like USC or Texas can provide for the players.

I think it's well deserved. These kids are not allowed to have part time jobs.
It will hurt the small schools significantly. I'm talking about non-BCS football schools. They won't be able to afford it because they don't make enough money. The Big Ten doesn't care because all of the schools are taking in 50 to 100 million a year. Southern Illinois is not and will struggle to find a way to match it. If I get the choice of playing at Indiana + $5000 a year cash vs. Toledo + $500 a year cash the answer is pretty obvious to me.

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If this is legal by NCAA standards, why haven't the big school been doing this all along?

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It's expensive, and the whole game changed when the Big Ten Network started for all BCS conferences.

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The outrage will come from the Title 9'ers that say you are only planning to pay the revenue sports and that all athletes should be compensated at the same level.

Is that in the rules, or are you saying they have no time for part-time jobs?

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I believe that as part of the scholarship they get they are required to not have a part time job in season. They may be able to in the offseason and I know that it's acceptable in the summer.

They also would never have had the time for it.

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Boiler Rick, I am pretty sure your right about the part-time jobs, but will add I thought it was while they were in school, because what's stops somebody from paying a kid a bunch of money for doing nothing.

I will reference the Rhett Bomar situation at Oklahoma. He worked at the car dealership and didn't he got paid in the hundreds of thousands, if I remember right.

That is correct. They are not allowed to have part-time jobs because all of them would magically be paid six figures to wash cars.

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It is just during the season. Any player worth anything has a job arranged for them during the summers, with some great rates! This "We can't have a job is some real bullshit. Plus EVERY SINGLE PLAYER, even the below average ones get PENCIL money!

I might have even got one of these jobs during the summer, because they actually needed people to work or maintain buildings during the summer when they let teachers have break. However, I did not make the same hourly rate as some future NBA players did for sitting in a room for 4 hours a day. They might have made 4 times more than I did!

Kenny Lofton had a part time job while playing basketball at U of Ariz, he was a CF for the Tucson Toros (Astros Minor League), of which he got a $100K signing bonus.

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Schools I am 100% have provided pencil money

Northwestern - 4 examples!
Illinois - 5 examples
Purdue - 2 examples
Wisc - 1 Really Big Example
DePaul - Too many examples
Iowa - Only a promise of an Example
Arizona - where do I end,
UCSD - Yes, the same ones finally getting some players, how did that happen? 2 fine examples

That should be enough

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You cannot get paid for the sport you are receiving a scholarship for and you cannot be paid in the season. This is legal.

right and it's a part time job, which was the point

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You aren't allowed to receive "extra benefits" but plenty of players get internships and other stuff through legitimate businesses. I'm sure they are required to disclose what they are making for it though.

Most players won't ever get paid for playing the sport. Making it so they can't do an internship would make getting a job after college more difficult.

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My question on that would be what stops a company from giving a player money for not doing anything, or if they help get players into the program, maybe get a little extra in a briefcase, they could just like when they disclose what they make.

The business could be legitmate and the player may not play, but the business could help get an incoming recruit to come to the school and make a nice 10,000 dollars.

The simple answer that it's illegal to do just like any type of unearned benefit. Of course it happens but it's against the rules.

If the company can prove that they are paying them a market rate or similar to others then they should be fine. It's like how friends can buy them things but they can't buy them cars. If I'm hanging out with an athlete and I hand him a miller lite that's allowed. If I'm hanging out with an athlete and I hand them keys to a car that's illegal.

I also don't know this, but I'm assuming that summer jobs by athletes are reported to the school who may pass on the information to the NCAA.

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If you are a player (On scholarship or not) during your playing season you are not allowed to have a job. Simple, no other earnings.

This was best demonstrated with Greg Anthony who had a T shirt company and part of a real estate development company while at UNLV. He tried to deny the scholarship, but the NCAA stepped in and made him legally remove himself from both companies when he said he would pay for school.

Yes, Greg Anthony building multi unit apartment buildings in Vegas's hey day. Can we see now why you can't take "Any money", because he could do nothing at this company and get big big money.

The NCAA get's NO reports on Students summer jobs earnings, even if from the School itself. Asked the question when I found out guys making 4 times I was for the same, do nothing jobs. When I mean do nothing, it was sitting at a desk in a building, that if one person came to use, that was the 4 hour shift highlight.

The NCAA knows any recruited kid has a high paying summer job. They just look the other way. They could never handle all the investigations if they really did.

Sean Elliott, BMW test driver for the summer!

Rod Strickland - Building inspections! oh, his Cousin Sy, on Academic Scholarship as well! And if Sy was academically eligible for any such scholarship, then I should have been a Rhodes scholar!

Even one of my smarter friends, who played at DePaul, went to Law School, got a do nothing job his fresh and soph year.

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What happens if some college age kid invents something that could make millions of dollars for himself? Would that be against NCAA regulations for him to profit on that? Or what if Justin Bieber or some famous child actor was good enough to play College Hoops or Football, how would the NCAA handle that? Would he have to give up touring or movies until he was out of college?

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I don't see why it would as long as he can prove it's not just boosters paying him. Like, if he created facebook he'd be making the insane profits he gets from advertisers and other places instead of losers from Columbus.

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I just thought up a better one.

What say if Nike wanted to a marketing campaign with Jordan and his sons. Something like a father/son basketball theme or something like that. Would that be against NCAA regulations for his son? He's the son of their greatest endorser, how would that work?

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He's not allowed to make money off of being in advertising. He'd have to wait until it's over just like they do for NCAA football. He would lose his amateur status.

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But he wouldn't be profiting off of his status as an amateur athlete, he would be profiting off the fact that he is the son of the greatest basketball player of all time.

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Would the Justin Bieber thing, be like the Jeremy Bloom situtaion, where he was good at football and fantastic at skiing, the NCAA made him cut college football short, so he could ski at the Olympics.

This depends. If they did it on University equipment, typically you are required to give the patent to the university. You lose the right to profit from it.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6848439/ncaa-presidents-discuss-scholarship-terms-retreat

This is moving really fast. Non-BCS schools might as well form a new division if this happens.

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