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Mikey's view on natural disasters.

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What a fucking MORON. A tornado will never happen in Chicago because there's too many buildings to "break stuff up"????
IDIOT! The tallest building in Chicago is 1451 feet tall. The cells and thunderheads causing tornados are 40k feet high!!!
Seriously what an asshole.

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I knew somebody would get a kick out of this. My question though,is why big cities very seldom see this kind of damage?

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I knew somebody would get a kick out of this. My question though,is why big cities very seldom see this kind of damage?

Most BIG cities are coastal. Chicago, Detroit, Minne, they're slighty out of "Tornado Alley". Tell Oklahoma City that tornados fear big cities. Maybe tornados are just intimidated by big cities, not scared of them...???

A tornado hit Miami's downtown a decade or so ago.

None of this means that Mike North deserves absolution for his utter stupidity. He is so GODDAMN dumb, that is why I stopped listening to his show. It's not that he wasn't funny, he was funny, but he is SO FUCKING STUPID. Honestly.

Did he ever get a GED?

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:02 am 
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I guess we can add meteorologist to his resume.

"Dis will never happen in Chicago. Dem buildings break tings up. The tornado depletes itself."

What an idiot.

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He's actually serious, isn't he? :shock:

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Darko, unless you can name the last Great Twister to take out portions of the city of Chicago, then Mike is right.

KS, he's not right. Buildings don't stop or break up tornados. He's a fool.

•There were 92 significant tornadoes in the 8 county Chicago metro area between 1855 and 2008.
•The deadliest tornado occurred on April 21, 1967 during an outbreak of 5 significant tornadoes. A violent F4 tornado formed in Palos Hills in Cook County and traveled through Oak Lawn and the south side of Chicago. 33 people died and 500 people were injured by this 200 yard wide tornado that traveled 16 miles and caused over $50 million in damage.
•The most recent significant tornadoes occurred on June 7, 2008 over Will and Cook Counties.
•The only F5 tornado to ever strike the Chicago area was on August 28 1990. This tornado formed near Oswego and passed through Plainfield, Crest Hill, and Joliet. The tornado killed 29, injured 350, and caused $165 million in damage along a 16 mile path

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:35 pm 
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Darko, unless you can name the last Great Twister to take out portions of the city of Chicago, then Mike is right.

KS, he's not right. Buildings don't stop or break up tornados. He's a fool.

•There were 92 significant tornadoes in the 8 county Chicago metro area between 1855 and 2008.
•The deadliest tornado occurred on April 21, 1967 during an outbreak of 5 significant tornadoes. A violent F4 tornado formed in Palos Hills in Cook County and traveled through Oak Lawn and the south side of Chicago. 33 people died and 500 people were injured by this 200 yard wide tornado that traveled 16 miles and caused over $50 million in damage.
•The most recent significant tornadoes occurred on June 7, 2008 over Will and Cook Counties.
•The only F5 tornado to ever strike the Chicago area was on August 28 1990. This tornado formed near Oswego and passed through Plainfield, Crest Hill, and Joliet. The tornado killed 29, injured 350, and caused $165 million in damage along a 16 mile path



Nope, he's still right.

Despite the fact that you just went all SHARK on me, nowhere in that encyclopedia of information does it mention a tornado that actually hit the City of Chicago.

If a meteor didn't hit Chicago, does that mean that the big buildings prevented it from happening?
And there's a story in there about a tornado hitting the South Side of Chicago.

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Darkside wrote:

And there's a story in there about a tornado hitting the South Side of Chicago.


But that was the Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich at Comiskey park in 1986.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Darkside wrote:

And there's a story in there about a tornado hitting the South Side of Chicago.


But that was the Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich at Comiskey park in 1986.


:lol: :lol:

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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And there's a story in there about a tornado hitting the South Side of Chicago.


But that was the Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich at Comiskey park in 1986.

:lol:
That's awesome.
Seriously, it's disturbing what an idiot Mike North really is. He's... just stupid. He really is a moron. The more I hear from him the more convinced I am that he is just plain not smart.

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Keeping Score wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty sure you snuck that little "south side of Chicago part in there" :lol: I bet that out of the 33 killed and 500 injured, 33 were killed and 499 were injured in Palos Hills and Oak Lawn. The other one was Frank. When he crossed the street to go to Louie's Greasy Spoon, he passed into the South Side.


The Frank remarks aside :wink: , he has you Darkside... :lol:

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DS,
I think a lot of folks agree with Mike North. I have to confess,I always thought that way about big cities being tornado proof,but I know I'm not educated enough in the exciting world of meterology to come out and say it like he did. In other words try checking the facts first.

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Keeping Score wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty sure you snuck that little "south side of Chicago part in there" :lol: I bet that out of the 33 killed and 500 injured, 33 were killed and 499 were injured in Palos Hills and Oak Lawn. The other one was Frank. When he crossed the street to go to Louie's Greasy Spoon, he passed into the South Side.


The Frank remarks aside :wink: , he has you Darkside... :lol:

He ain't got shit.
Besides arguing over semantics, would you accept as evidence the fact that tornados have indeed hit major metropolitan areas (Miami, Oklahoma City) and that tornados are not even remotely limited to "wide open spaces"?
We know for a fact that a 1,000 building has no effect on a 40,000 foot tall tornado cell.
I think this is a bit. You're all trying to be hilarious. In fact, I'd say you've been somewhat humerous, but the fact remains. North is a boob.

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DS,
I think a lot of folks agree with Mike North. I have to confess,I always thought that way about big cities being tornado proof,but I know I'm not educated enough in the exciting world of meterology to come out and say it like he did. In other words try checking the facts first.

There was a special on tornados (naturally, as the weather channel loves cashing in on this shit and do so unapologetically) and I just watched it a few days or so ago and they debunk the myth that cities break up tornados. that's why I'm an expert. :wink:

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Q: Can tornadoes go over hills or even mountains?

A: Hills or mountains do not offer tornado protection. One of the most dramatic cases that shows this was the F-4 tornado that hit the Teton Wilderness about 45 miles northeast of Jackson, Wyo., on July 21, 1987. As noted by Thomas P. Grazulis in his book Significant Tornadoes 1680-1991, the tornado went over mountains as high as 10,000 feet, blowing down mostly mature lodgepole pines from 80 to 100 feet tall


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Q: Why don't tornadoes hit big cities?

A: Tornadoes do hit such areas. But, as you can see when you take an airplane trip anywhere in the U.S., built-up areas make up only a small part of the country. Tornadoes are small compared with other kinds of storms and are really pretty rare. The odds are that they will hit open land more often than cities because there is a lot of open land. Also, some of the most built-up parts of the U.S. such as the Northeast Coast and along the California Coast are places where strong tornadoes are rare because the general weather conditions aren't as favorable as they are in the Southeast, on the Plains and in the Midwest.


Anyway, the fact remains that this asshole North could, if people actually listened to his show, be putting people in danger.

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Darko, I don't care if you quote Huckleberry Finn, watch Geraldo Rivera's special on Ghostly Tornados, or went to some psychic named Futuress..........if Northy would've brought up the plethora of cities that you keep googling, Miami, Oklahoma City, Wyoming, then they too would've been safe.
But he didn't. He said the City of Chicago.

So don't come back here with some obscure reference of an F-4 taking out a city block in Los Angeles back in 1937, or an F-5 that actually grazed the pinky of that chick on the Statue of Liberty in 1970.

I used to like you you bastard. :twisted:

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It's cause Da Unions only build Tornado proof buildings! We are Tornado proof!

He is actually right, but I am not going to explain why. :D

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I believe a tornado probably couldn't form in the city. I would assume the buildings would break up the air currents.


That being said, I bet it could form somewhere else and then travel to the city. It could probably also start over the lake.


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Myth or Misconception #3 .... Tornadoes never strike big cities.

This misconception has a small kernel of possible truth at its heart. Before we get to that possible bit of truth, we first have to make a number of things clear. When one thinks of a "big city", the image of sky scrapers and large office or apartment buildings come to mind. In actuality, if you were to compare the downtown where these buildings occur with the rest of the city, it would comprise a rather small percentage of the city's area.
Let's look at a map:
The area that is considered "the city" and consists of tall buildings is filled in with blue. The boundaries of the city are outlined in green. The entire city is also surrounded by suburbs, which are outlined in purple. If you think of the city as just the area filled in with blue, then "the city" is a very small target. That more "cities" aren't struck by tornadoes is probably more coincidence than anything else. There are very few "big cities" with skyscrapers in Tornado Alley. In fact, there are only a dozen, and one of them, St. Louis, has a long history of tornadoes in its central area.

The downtown areas of "big cities" have had tornadoes on occasion. This past spring, a tornado passed through Miami, Florida before it moved out to sea, disproving the idea that they can't form in cities.
The St. Louis, Missouri and East St. Louis, Illinois areas have had more than their share of tornado strikes to their downtowns. The first time was on March 8, 1871, when a tornado that did F-3 damage moved from the west bank of the Mississippi River, across the river, to the Brooklyn-Venice area of Illinois. Ferries and steamers were torn apart and their fragments carried as much as 30 miles. Most of the damage was to the six railroad depots that were destroyed. Eight of the nine deaths occurred in the railroad yards.
A tornado struck again on May 27, 1896, killing 255 people in the two states. Touching down on the NW edge of Tower Grove Park, the storm widened into a mile-wide, complex combination of tornado and downburst winds. It struck the Eads Bridge, just as the windstorm had in 1871. Seven people were killed in a building about where the I-55 sign is on the map to the right. A photo of that building, and another photo of the East St. Louis damage can be seen here. About 1000 people were injured as the storm collapsed or swept away portions of houses, factories, saloons, hospitals, mills, railroad yards, and churches. The storm was at its maximum intensity as it crossed the Mississippi into East St. Louis, and it killed 118 people there, 35 of which were in the Vandalia railroad freight yards.
The third time St. Louis was struck was on September 29, 1927. The tornado began at the south edge of Webster Grove and as it passed through the middle of the city, its path widened from 100 to 600 yards. Over 200 city blocks were torn apart, and 72 people were killed. In Illinois, 6 people were killed when a crucible of molten metal was overturned. Debris from the tornado was carried up to 50 miles.
In the past 40 years, the city of St. Louis and the surrounding suburbs of St. Louis County have been hit 22 times, although none of them were in the tiny skyscraper heart of the city. There are three possible reasons for that. First, the central city may produce a "heat island" in which turbulent rising air disrupts the formation of small tornadoes(keep in mind that most tornadoes are small). The second possibility is that the "roughness" created by the skyscrapers causes turbulence that disrupts the formation of small tornadoes. The third, is, of course, the idea that tornadoas are rare, and the central city is very small. So it is a matter of coincidence.

Professor Fujita of the University of Chicago suggested that the "heat island" effect takes hold for small tornadoes when a city reaches a population of about 1,000,000. There seems to be a lack of small tornadoes in the central cities of Chicago, Tokyo, and London. These are the only three cities that have been carefully studied over a long time.

None of this applies to intense tornadoes. They are just too rare to assume that they avoid central cities. There are thousands of small towns all across Tornado Alley that have never been hit by an intense tornado. If you have ever seen video of the Wichita/Andover, Kansas tornado, it should seem ridiculous to you to think that this monster, at the bottom of an 8-mile-high rotating column, would be bothered by the presence of a few 300-foot-tall buildings. Perhaps some time in the next century, a central city will be in the path of a violent tornado, and we will learn what will happen. The probability of a violent tornado in the downtown area of any large city is about once in a thousand years.

It is possible that a tornado could actually intensify even more after it forms outside of town and moves into the central city. One speculation has it that the friction of the buildings will slow down the inflow of air into the funnel. This would deprive the funnel of air. The pressure would drop, causing the funnel to shrink in diameter, and spin even faster. So central city tornadoes that began outside the city could be more damaging than average. As you can see, there is a lot more to this than the simplistic idea that heat and roughness keeps tornadoes away. The rarity of intense tornadoes and the fact that St. Louis has been hit by three of them is an interesting curiosity, but that is another puzzle for another day.

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[There are very few "big cities" with skyscrapers in Tornado Alley. In fact, there are only a dozen, and one of them, St. Louis, has a long history of tornadoes in its central area.

Yeah, did Pappy miss the tornado that tore the shit out of everything around Lambert? That was a month ago!

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DarkSide IS RIGHT!!!!

I live in Mt. Prospect/Arlington Heights area & a tiny tornado missed my house by less then a mile.
Giant trees ripped out from the roots all over the place & 10,000 with out power.
The worst damage was right by the Mt. Prospect Golf Course (wide open space),so maybe DS wasn't 100% correct. I don't know,but in front of my house,you could not tell anything happened.

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Aren't you being a little harsh on Darkside there greg?

I love you Keeping Score.

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