You're talking about how they should have pulled the trigger if it were Ben Gordon and a first round pick for Gasol; assuming that was even on the table, I submit you haven't though it through. Unless you contend that Gasol can carry pretty much the entire scoring load by himself, I don't see how that would make the Bulls that much better for this season. Gordon is, by far and away the Bulls top scoring threat. Sure, with Gasol you get some low post presence (not a ton from him for a big guy, actually), but you lose your one out-and-out game-changer. I really don't think you're being fair or realistic with your white-flag comments. Assuming this deal was possible, I'd say you're gambling pretty well even odds; he likes his guys, and I can't really blame him for sticking with them, especially given the fact that they probably wouldn't win a championship this year either way, and there is a good chance they will be able to make other deals at the end of the season.

You've never been an advocate of making a move for the sake of making a move; why the sudden console-pounding over this?

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He also keeps railing on this topic saying "Unless they wanted Deng, then I completely understand" (or something to that effect). I think it's pretty obvious that THAT is precisely who The Logo wanted, so the rest of his arguement is pointless.

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It's also been rumored that West wanted both Gordon AND Deng.

Yeah, that's a good point. People act as though Gasol by himself is somehow better than the Bulls core. I disagree. Right now the Bulls may be a perimeter team, but they're a damn good perimeter team; you give that up, and suddenly you're better on the inside but have lost the outside.

I still say that the Bulls don't want to lose Gordon though; if it were my choice, I think I'd actually lean toward giving up Deng in that trade. At Deng's position, you have a decent substitute in Nocioni; at Gordon's position, you have no one even remotely close to the offensive presence Gordon brings. That said, I can't blame Pax for not giving up Deng either. It was a gamble either way, and he put his money on his guys.

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Did you watch the game last night? Thabo had 19. Tyrus added 14. Most of their damage was done before Garbage Time. If either one of those guys can make a big leap like a lot of first rounders do between their first and second seasons, that will make a big difference. Their core is all young and still improving.

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Reading is a skill:

Anyways, my point is this: they give up Gordon for Gasol, and they probably still get bounced this year. You can't look at it as if you add Gasol to the Bulls, because a big part of the Bulls' success is Gordon.

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Not to mention that in addition to Gordon they would have had to give up PJ, Tyrus and the Pick. Way to much for a 7 footer labled as "soft".

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I think Noce's injury is giving Tyrus Thomas a hell of an opportunity to log some meaningful minutes.

He looked damned impressive last night, but then again, it was Golden State.

i just wanna hear the parody song.

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Yeah, that part of it was a crushing blow to me.

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"He's dishing helpers every night"

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They'd have no chance with Gasol either. Again we're back to talking about making a trade for the sake of making a trade. Is Gasol a top 5 player at his position?


I'd say yes and yes. He wanted to take a shot at this year, it didn't pan out. Now he's protecting what he has and keeping more options open for the future.


Sure. Gasol doesn't make a Gordon/Deng-less Bulls team better than the Mavericks though. Either way they get bounced.

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The Daily Herald article I read said it was Deng and filler, which I would've done in a second. Money was probably an issue though, damn you Ben W