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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:16 pm 
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Beardown is right this time. We don't need to hear a radio host getting emotional for a segment because he had a procedure done to help handle his Crohn's. Yes, it's a GI problem and it sucks at times - but tons of people live with it everyday.

A simple "I had to take a few days to rest, but can you believe that Mark Cuban acted with class and every single person in Vancouver didn't???" would have sufficed.

Any time you have a surgery - an internal surgical procedure - it is some pretty serious and scary shit:

YOU.

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DIE.

Maybe right away (heart, septic shock), or maybe from a blood clot/stroke later on from some shit that was dislodged during the disturbance.

Happens to young and the old. See Brett Michaels.

More people than there should be die from allergies or other reactions from the anaesthetic, as well as deadly post-op staph/MRSA infections. No Joke.

Don't fuck with him on this - you could tell he was scared, and he was sharing that with everyone.

Back the fuck off.


I don't think Beardown is disputing Larry's feelings. Rather, he's questioning the exploitation of his plight to gain sympathy from and credibility with his audience.

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I swear , I was not even aware he was away!!!!


This.

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Of course he was scared before surgery. Everybody is. Goes without saying. Trust me. I know anything can go wrong in surgery. You don't think I have family and friends that have went under the knife? Still, at his age and this type of surgery, I'll bet it was 98% or more success rate.

Well, it was over when he took the air waves today. He's fine. Like I said, he stopped the story to tell us he's most valued during Bears season, that he's a champ for doing a show today and that he didn't want to worry listeners who would take time away from worrying about their own family problems. Because, being Larry, people would worry about a sports talker of whom they don't know.


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Beardown is absolutely correct in his analysis of Larry's self-aggrandizing return to the airwaves. I'm not even sure how this can be disputed. Holmes' entire modus operandi as a host is to conceal the hollowness of his program by elevating himself from the role of narrator to that of protagonist. Rather than reporting or commenting on a story, he prefers to make himself the story--precisely because he lacks the knowledge and analytical skills to talk about issues not directly connected to his personal life in an intelligent or compelling manner. That's why his Bears "reports" are littered with tales of how the players relate to him as a reporter instead of being packed with information about what is happening with the team "beneath the surface." Laurence's failure to cultivate sources and develop a well-rounded intellect have rendered him a vacuous narcissist who has turned his radio program into a reality show. That makes sense given his inability to engage with reality.

That's some bad mojo, Bros. Image


Agreed. Larry's egocentrism is tiresome.

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Beardown is absolutely correct in his analysis of Larry's self-aggrandizing return to the airwaves. I'm not even sure how this can be disputed. Holmes' entire modus operandi as a host is to conceal the hollowness of his program by elevating himself from the role of narrator to that of protagonist. Rather than reporting or commenting on a story, he prefers to make himself the story--precisely because he lacks the knowledge and analytical skills to talk about issues not directly connected to his personal life in an intelligent or compelling manner. That's why his Bears "reports" are littered with tales of how the players relate to him as a reporter instead of being packed with information about what is happening with the team "beneath the surface." Laurence's failure to cultivate sources and develop a well-rounded intellect have rendered him a vacuous narcissist who has turned his radio program into a reality show. That makes sense given his inability to engage with reality.


TM puts it best. It can't be disputed.


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There's just a certain self-awareness, dignity and humility that most people have that Larry doesn't possess. It's just the bottom line. Most self-respecting people shy away from talking about their personal troubles to people. Most people don't beg for sympathy and ask for praise. Especially to strangers. A radio audience is a stanger to a radio host.

Hell, when you go to family parties do you get someone who's recovering from Cancer treatment doing what Larry did today? Of course not. Family is more personal and it's not done like Larry did today. Doing what Larry did to a sports radio audience is just shameful.


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Just listened to the podcast. I didn't think it was over-the-top. And at no point did he call himself a "hero".

I prolly wouldn't have gone on aboot it.

Although it was nice that Dickerson and J-Hood stopped by.

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Just listened to the podcast. I didn't think it was over-the-top. And at no point did he call himself a "hero".

I prolly wouldn't have gone on aboot it.

Although it was nice that Dickerson and J-Hood stopped by.


I never said he called himself a hero. But by saying he did the show today for listeners cuz he though it would be wrong to just pop back in for "Cubs/Sox" was him implying he's a hero. That's what I was saying.


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I didn't get that at all.

I took it to mean he wanted to get the story out of the way today.

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I didn't get that at all.

I took it to mean he wanted to get the story out of the way today.


I totally saw it as "I'm a hero". That's cool. You can see it your way.


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Yeah take it as you will.

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I didn't get that at all.

I took it to mean he wanted to get the story out of the way today.

Get it out of the way? Who is he? He's nobody. Like BF said, I didn't even know he was away, and I guarantee you, the majority of listeners during that time slot didn't either (and I'm one of those getting out of work at 7)


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I didn't get that at all.

I took it to mean he wanted to get the story out of the way today.

Get it out of the way? Who is he? He's nobody. Like BF said, I didn't even know he was away, and I guarantee you, the majority of listeners during that time slot didn't either (and I'm one of those getting out of work at 7)


Right. Get what out of the way? Nobody knew of it to know it was in the way. Nobody cares that much. People have enough to worry about in their own lives. You just say you were away for surgery and you're fine. Most people would have done it that way. That's the point.

I saw it as "my story" is more important than "Sox/Cubs" to you people so I came back early to let all of you know so we wouldn't have "Sox/Cubs" get in the way.


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Obviously for the people who listen to his show.

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Obviously for the people who listen to his show.


But a lot of people listen to the station at that time, not because of him. So when he has a sob-story about his illness, it comes off as pompous, IMO

And it doesnt start there. The opening to his show is pompous. Hello, this is Laurence and you're listening to MY show. WTF is that?


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Oh I agree.

I just was talking aboot his big "announcement".

I didn't think it was that egotistical.

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Oh I agree.

I just was talking aboot his big "announcement".

I didn't think it was that egotistical.

I see what you're saying.. He was obviously concerned about his health, and talked about what he went through, but that coupled with everything else he does (the Lance Briggs drop, and many other instances) rubs me the wrong way...


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I find it quite amusing that a poster who regularly enjoys congratulating himself about what he "unearths" and how he's a champion for the board feels the need to take Larry to the woodshed for being "self-important" in this case.
I agree that a few parts of the 15-plus-minute segment were a self aggrandizing (what his boss thinks of his role a Bears beat guy), but those comments pale in comparison to his -- I believe -- honest attempt to get the word about the disease. He put himself out there for people who might have the disease. What's wrong with that?
Finally, I'm normally a Holmes basher, but this just seems like overkill on Beardown's part.

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I'd be scared if he rubbed you the right way...


What?!

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I'd be scared if he rubbed you the right way...


What?!

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Look .....

I think we're all clear as to how often I listen to LoHo (c. 15 minutes a year). I think we're all clear as to what a pud I think he acts like on the air.

I think it should also be clear to everyone, even the dimmest amongst us, that if Larry went through some serious stuff like that and it helps him mentally heal to get on the radio and say whatever he said (no, I'm not going to go listen to it, obviously), then who the hell is any of us to tell him "no, that's wrong; no, that's inappropriate".

Empathy is an illusion folks. You can feel sorry, you can say you relate, you can say you understand, but nobody has any real grasp on what other people go through except for their own shit - any representation to the contrary is a crock of shit.

Sorry excuses like "it happens to people everyday" doesn't make someone's struggles any easier - if anything, it makes it more difficult because there's no reason to not infer that their own self-worth is being challenged, let alone their ability to deal with shit.

LoHo has been on the air for some time, and will be for some time in the future. If you wanna hassle his ass, do it about something related to his show or his broadcasting; don't be a complete fucktard because the poor bastard seems to have escaped a potentially personally devastating problem with little to possibly no real ramifications going forward.

How that's not evident to every swinging dick on this board really is beyond me; why this surprises me is a cross I have to bear on my own. Christ, I'm the fucking king of insensitivity yet some of this thread is just way beyond the pale.

In closing, let the record show this diatribe was written with a xanax and a valium in my system. Not that they're really doing anything, but I'm sure it subdued my disgust and ire to some degree, but not enough to let this abject, unadulterated stupidity pass by without commenting.

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Did you catch the part where he said he would never get suspended?

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If he were to continue to yammer about this for weeks on end, then we can start to pound him for it. But today? One friggin' day?

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Does Crohn's make you have no class, humility and self-awareness? If so, then I apologize. If not, I stand by everything I said. It was bad.


thats exactly what can happen, just the same as you can be born with those problems as in your case.

think about it. chrons is something like the opposite of aids, but with similar physical effects. your body starts eating itself away, every day, every single day. this goes on for months into years. your personality changes because you are always sick, and there is no explanation for it, or anything you can do about it. the harder you work and the more you stress about it only makes things a lot worse.

it gets so bad that you literally forget what it feels like to be OK. and one day, you just start feeling better. it might be the new drugs the doc has you on, it might be a fluke. it might even be permanent, but its probably not. dont worry, youll go back to hell soon enough.

then you might get serious relief. they might give you killer steroids, or they might cut out parts of your intestine. great, whatever. you have been a combatant in the war on drugs and a proponent of the surgical black market for years.

so now you wake up one day and you feel weird. like, really weird. you feel like youre on vicodin... nothing hurts, and everything seems numb. you stand up, walk around... and you feel amazing. you cant even remember ever feeling this way, and you think back to childhood when you used to bellyflop onto slip-n-slides setup on rocky soil.

the change can be so dramatic that OF COURSE it adds confidence. its a new lease on life, and you think you can beat anything. you even go out and get that girls number you always wanted, and you go on a couple dates and you get close to fuckin her. so that week youre working and waiting for the weekend with naked girl and bam, you stop eating. you stop having energy. you start shitting soup. the pain hits and the last thing you can think about is fuckin her. youre back to the start of this post for an indefinite amount of time. good luck, have a nice life.

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I find it quite amusing that a poster who regularly enjoys congratulating himself about what he "unearths" and how he's a champion for the board feels the need to take Larry to the woodshed for being "self-important" in this case.
I agree that a few parts of the 15-plus-minute segment were a self aggrandizing (what his boss thinks of his role a Bears beat guy), but those comments pale in comparison to his -- I believe -- honest attempt to get the word about the disease. He put himself out there for people who might have the disease. What's wrong with that?
Finally, I'm normally a Holmes basher, but this just seems like overkill on Beardown's part.


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I find it quite amusing that a poster who regularly enjoys congratulating himself about what he "unearths" and how he's a champion for the board feels the need to take Larry to the woodshed for being "self-important" in this case.


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This notion, suggested by some, that Larry is trying to spread the word of chrohn's and reach out to people is bullshit. Spread the word? People know if they have it. Sounds heroic and nice to say, but it means nothing. People with chrohn's don't need Larry, they need a doctor. From what I understand, the treatment steps are pretty standard and simple. Proper diet, medication and eventually a surgery or two. Anybody can get that info from a doc or the internet.

This is a sports radio show with a male audience. Not the Oprah show. Nobody with this problem is gonna reach out to Larry. Nor does Larry really want them to. Don't fall for that. He says it at the time cuz it's the thing to say.

You people who suggested this remind me of the sweet old lady that sees nothing but good. I just had to play Jack to respond to all of you.

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This "you could die" thing is, of course, true, but not likely. Especially for younger people.

Do people who have have their appendix taken out get the "Oh my God, he/she could die" thinking? It's a pretty common surgery with a high success rate. I've known a few people who've had this done. I wasn't too worried. They didn't get a priest for "last rites".

I mean it's not open heart surgery or removing a tumor from your brain. Somebody look up the stats on these Crohn's treatment surgerys. That's an order. If it's anything above .005% death for people under 40 I'd be shocked. Older people die in surgery cuz they have other things wrong with them.


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This "you could die" thing is, of course, true, but not likely. Especially for younger people.

Do people who have have their appendix taken out get the "Oh my God, he/she could die" thinking? It's a pretty common surgery with a high success rate. I've known a few people who've had this done. I wasn't too worried. They didn't get a priest for "last rites".

I mean it's not open heart surgery or removing a tumor from your brain. Somebody look up the stats on these Crohn's treatment surgerys. That's an order. If it's anything above .005% death for people under 40 I'd be shocked. Older people die in surgery cuz they have other things wrong with them.

When I volunteered at that Crohn's fundraiser, they introduced us to a 3 year old that had nearly died in surgery twice. I believe that they were the top fundraisers.
I know what you're doing is a bit. I think the rest of us do too. But some of us don't need to have to read that kind of garbage, even if you're just playing with yourself.

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