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 Post subject: Moneyball
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:06 pm 
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I saw the preview for it this weekend and can already tell this movie is going to be packed with bullshit. Yeah! Let's glorify a team that didn't win a championship.

At least it's accurate to Lewis' slurping of Bean by having Brad Pitt play the role.

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I saw it as well and couldn't believe it.

Who plays Kenny Williams?

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could they have used any older guys to play his scouts?

What is Bean's legacy? He hasn't won much. He didn't pioneer anything like Bill James. He isn't even known as the person who popularized the use of sabermetrics as his reputation has been surpassed by guys like Theo.

Why did this story warrant a movie? There are a handful of lonely males who this story will appeal to. I bet the movie company had to buy Moneyball in order to get the Oher story.

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Bernsie has his tickets already.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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No doubt. It should be the type of movie for which the Score marketing gets a Chicago screening for its fans...just like they should have done with Big Fan. Just like Big Fan, they will do nothing.

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I was reading an interview with the dude from Parks and Recreation...the shoe shine guy.

I guess he plays Scott Hatteberg.

Any movie where Scott Hatteberg is apparently a central character, I want no part of.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Moneyball is where I discovered Chad Bradford was more valuable than Miguel Olivo.

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THis movie looks all sorts of bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Ill see it eventually.

I liked Moneyball. Even if it did Over glorify Beane, its definitely an interesting inside look at an organization.


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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Let's see what Billy Beane looks like when he doesn't have Hudson, Mulder, and Zito.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Chus wrote:
Hawk Harrelson wrote:
Let's see what Billy Beane looks like when he doesn't have Hudson, Mulder, and Zito.

Hawk Harrelson criticizing someone else's work as a GM?

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Hawk Harrelson wrote:
Let's see what Billy Beane looks like when he doesn't have Hudson, Mulder, and Zito.

Did he really say that?

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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:lol:

He really does despise Billy Beane.

Yes he said it. I think on B&B.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Is this the movie about the Florida Marlins who found a way to win two World Series in 20 years while being a small market team with a limited payroll?

Or is this the movie about the Arizona Diamondbacks who won a World Series in the first four years of existence and made another NLCS?

Now, I remember, this is about the Athletics who played in 3 World Series, right before the time that Billy Beane joined the team as an advanced scout, and then proceeded to accomplish the amazing task of winning 1 playoff series and then getting swept in the next round.

Hopefully someone writes a movie about my mundane and unimpressive life too.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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The story of a lonely computer geek who shocked the world by graduating from a 3rd rate big ten school and turned the IT world on it's head.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Darkside wrote:
Chus wrote:
Hawk Harrelson wrote:
Let's see what Billy Beane looks like when he doesn't have Hudson, Mulder, and Zito.

Did he really say that?


Moneyball made KW look bad and you know the group think of the Sox.

KW is supposedly good friends with Bean. I would have thought he would rip Bean a new one after reading the book.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:19 am 
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He did win 90 games 5 years in a row. 100 wins in two of those years.

All with a small payroll. Thats pretty impressive.

Im not saying you had to write a book or make a movie about it, but you guys are taking it too far the other way.

He was definitely influential on baseball.


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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Im not saying you had to write a book or make a movie about it, but you guys are taking it too far the other way.

He was definitely influential on baseball.
The problem is that he wasn't really that influential. He mostly rode the wave of new types of statistical analysis to moderate success. Given in the context of what the A's were only 2 years before he joined the team as an advanced scout he really accomplished nothing unexpected.

If Billy Beane decides to open up a bake shop instead of become a scout the statistical revolution still happens and Billy Beane failed to accomplish more than about 15 other franchises. The Cubs have gotten closer to the World Series than the A's since he's been there, and according to Bernstein Hendry is the last guy in the majors who doesn't believe in SABRmetrics.

This would kind of be like giving credit to the Russians for how they dominated space exploration because they shot a dog into space. Either get to the moon or STFU Russia. Either win a title or even get to a World Series or STFU Billy Beane.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:31 am 
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Beane didnt write the book. People act like he did.


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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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And lets not forget that contraction of small market teams was a real possibility around this time.

The fact that a team with such a low payroll was winning 100 games noteworthy.

Like I said, It wasnt a heroic tale screaming to be made into a book, but he was no small feat to be winning 90+ 5 years in a row in a time when spending in baseball was insane.


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Didn't the 97 Marlins go all in with a really high payroll, and immediately have to fire sale the team so Hizengua didn't go broke?

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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Yes. The Marlins did that twice. Their story may make a more interesting movie.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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rogers park bryan wrote:
And lets not forget that contraction of small market teams was a real possibility around this time.

The fact that a team with such a low payroll was winning 100 games noteworthy.

Like I said, It wasnt a heroic tale screaming to be made into a book, but he was no small feat to be winning 90+ 5 years in a row in a time when spending in baseball was insane.


It's a fine idea for a book. Lewis was obnoxious with his writing by having no perspective about a subject for which he obviously developed a man crush.

How many sports movies end in a divison championship? They even changed The Natural to create a hollywood ending. Yet, here's Moneyball.

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How many sports movies end in a divison championship?

Major League

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
How many sports movies end in a divison championship?

Major League

Little Big League was lost in a 1-game playoff.

Fuckin Jr. Griffey....

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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good dolphin wrote:
I saw the preview for it this weekend and can already tell this movie is going to be packed with bullshit. Yeah! Let's glorify a team that didn't win a championship.

At least it's accurate to Lewis' slurping of Bean by having Brad Pitt play the role.


were you piling on about robert redford playing bloody bob woodward in "all the president's men"? :wink:

i think it looks interesting; although the trailer does make it look like they win it all in the end. i like the premise of having to be "smart" with how you spend your money on players, etc. i doubt it'll be a very good movie but i'm at least intrigued.


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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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I've never seen All the President's Men. I'm probably younger than you think.

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 Post subject: Re: Moneyball
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I thought Moneyball was a very interesting book but you couldn't pay me to watch the movie.


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I've never seen All the President's Men.


You should watch it. It's excellent.


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