HossasSlavicRage wrote:
Ohh okay. So because Cops and Firefighters "put thier life on the line" they deserve a pension but a teacher does not. What about a Social Worker that works for DCFS, they put their lives on the line? What about a teacher that works in a violent neighborhood? They put their lives on the line as well. Shit, students sometimes shoot their teachers, so I guess when you look at the qualifier (life risking) for deserving a pension than teachers deserve it too.
Blaming the economic recession on "public workers" "unions" "teachers" is frankly disgusting. The fact that so many fall for it is depressing. Many private companies offer pensions, stock options or other things to aid people in retirement. A public sector deserves a pension just as much as anyone else.
Wall Street, CEOs, people that set economic policies, politicians are the cause of recession. Not your kids teacher or the local librarian.
a CEO, a tea party member, and a union worker are all sitting at a table when a plate with a dozen cookies arrives. Before anyone else can make a move, the CEO reaches out to rake in eleven of the cookies. When the other two look at him in surprise, the CEO locks eyes with the tea party member. "You better watch him," the executive says with a nod toward the union worker. "He wants a piece of your cookie."
Mike North is an asshole, the shit he spews shows how fucking dumb he is. People like him are the reason that wedge issue bible thumping assholes (they come in many forms) keep getting re-elected. Then spend public money trying to somehow ban abortion or block burrito marriage even they are elected to a county level position.
let me explain the difference between public and private employees. private employers can and do offer pensions and you know what happens when business goes bad, the pensions and other benefits go down or away. i am not saying public employees don't deserve retirement benefits, they should get 401k with a match. they don't deserve a defined pension. nearly every state is in the red because of guaranteed pensions and Illinois even gives no cost health insurance on top of that. and it is getting worse. see their has been a nice game over the past ten-twenty years of politicians promising higher pensions, salary increases, health benefits for public unions in exchange for voting them in. and then when they don't pay into the system, they borrow money from THE TAXPAYERS, or RAISE TAXES, or don't pay the state's other bills. now public employees want the taxpayers to give even more money so they can retire at 50 or 55, collect 85% of their last yr salary with 3% raises EVERY YEAR, free health insurance, and then go get another job on top of it, denying a person that needs a job so they can make money on top of their fat pension. if you can't see that states and cities can not sustain this system then you are a moron or a public employee. again, put everyone on a 401k with a matching funds.
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