Waiting for the league to bring them an offer! lol Not formally, but they are one of the teams Stern knows will need to agree to something before it is offered to the players, because they are one of the few teams making $$$$

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Is Micheal or Jerry making the call on this?

Physically MR, financially JR

While I know MR is more than capable of running the franchise and this is a great franchise to run with so many pieces in place, it isn't the hardest to run , but this is where Jerry shines, league wide matters per the owners side. Most owners will listen to him as well, unlike Baseball where when Jerry speaks almost everyone falls in line with Jerry. That's why Cuban is not an owner.

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That's the thing. Are all the owners unified on this? I can't believe Dallas, Miami, LA (Lakers) and yes the Bull would not want the season to start on time. I know the thinking is "well there are some NHL owners who own NBA teams" so therefore we'll lose the season, but why would the big boys go along with this?

Not even close, which is an issue.

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Any word on if an offer has been presented?

What does Terry's guy have to say?

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There will be no formal presentation among the owners, but it is going to be David Stern working with all the teams that had to borrow money first as it is evident they need a better plan first. Which is what they are working on.

Then things will move along to the owners that make money that really run the league. Once all that is agreed upon then the players will get an offer, but the players need to realize that it is an issue of just having enough money in the league.

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Is contraction on the table? It should be.

I don't think so, I actually asked that over a year ago. I actually asked if because the team I would have contracted is The Hornets. Then David Stern lends MJ the cash to buy them? So they are not going anywhere.

Worst league attendance is the Pacers, no way they are going away.

Kings, Nets also on the bottom, not going anywhere.

Grizzlies? would be a huge fight and it costs $$$$ to contract as well.

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The owners are internally fighting as much as the owners/players are fighting publicly. The small market teams want a revenue sharing system in place, the Jerry Buss and Reisndorfs of the league don't.

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Is there any word on the fact that the owners are pretty much full of shit? I mean, how does depreciating arenas and equipment mean that they are "losing money"?

Those questions were answered in the same deadspin piece that you read about it which was updated later on by a response from the other side. http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-losing-money-2011-7

As it said is there, even the guy who broke the story still projected that 17 teams were losing money, and he likely was not totally accurate either. A league can't survive if 20+ teams are losing money.

The owners may be overstating just how much they are losing but most teams are clearly losing money and in significant ways.

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I never read the Deadspin article.

EDIT: In addition, the business article you shared just basically says that one side disagrees with the other. No further financials are available to review since they have not yet been made public (if they will at all).

So you somehow think that the owners of full of it but you didn't even read one of the biggest articles that stated they are?

I'd recommend reading it and the response to it made by the NBA.

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Your understanding is correct. I didn't have to read it to have a conversation with others about the status of the NBA. I'm well aware of what one side is saying to the other based on other accounts.

Fine. You talked with someone who read the deadspin article and then told you about it. Does that really matter?

A majority of NBA teams are losing money by even the most conservative of estimates and most of them claim that over 20+ teams are. So basically, the owners are correct even if they have overstated some of the losses.

Even Nate Silver, who is currently the most optimistic projection out there of profitability, has claimed that 17 of the teams are losing money. That's more than half the league.

The answer is somewhere in the middle depending on how much stuff you "throw out" but it's almost a lock that 20+ teams are losing money. So, to answer your initial question. The owners are right. The financial situation they are in is unsustainable.

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I just find it funny how the owners are/were stating that player value was depreciating. It was always my understanding that a player could not "depreciate" over time.

EDIT: Furthermore, its not like that would be the players' fault, either. They were offered contracts by the owners/GM's, and the players agreed to them. Now they are asking to have that same money taken away at near 45% because the team financial situation is "unsustainable"?

Players certainly can. Unless we are talking about rookie contracts, most players are not as good at the end of the deal as they are at the start.
It's not the players fault but that doesn't mean that the owners are required to lose money forever. That's why they negotiate these things. The owners need to make money in order for the league to survive. There was a point in sports history where the owners made money and abused the players by no free agency, locked in contracts, and artificially low pay. That changed too.

Just like with any business, the owners are still the most important part of the equation because they take all the risk. An NBA player is guaranteed to make a major profit every year. They will find a way so that everyone makes money but the players will give a bunch back.

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I don't agree. For example, is Kobe Bryant as "good" as he was in 2005? Obviously not as he has grown older. He's not as athletic, yadda yadda yadda. But, he's more marketable now than he was six years ago. He and players like him are going to draw more fans to games to see him play because of what he has accomplished AND because he is nearing the end of his career. As such, he and players like him are valuable.

Isn't that specifically what depreciation is about? Quantifying something's (or, in this case, someone's) value?

I understand that there aren't 100 Kobe Bryant's in the NBA, but players continue to appreciate until their contract expires.

The owners and the league are losing money. That is a fact. It's also pretty much a fact that the NBA had the worst owner/management teams of any of the professional sports. The business model is not an unprofitable one at all. The owners are solely to blame for the current condition of the NBA. It is the Maloofs fault that the Maloofs are broke. It's not Tyreke Evans fault.

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Kobe Bryant has declined greatly from when he signed the deal. He's a bad example. It's not like there are Lakers fans who didn't care about him when he was in his prime when he signed his deal saying "I didn't buy tickets to watch Kobe before but now I must see a broken down and declining Kobe".

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I don't think the owners would disagree with this. That's why they are fixing the system.

If the owners did try and "fix the system" by not paying people they'd get a collusion lawsuit against them. The problem is that if there is money allocated for players salaries then teams will almost be compelled to pay it. The fans will think they are cheap otherwise. Players won't go to boring cities.

This lockout is exactly about the owners fixing the problems they have.

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If there arrogance and stupidity wasnt threatening my favorite league I would find the owners position in this whole debate amusing as hell.

Owners: If you let us spend a bunch of money irresponsibly and overpay players and kill our franchises, we certainly will. So obviously the system isn't fair! There needs to be more restrictions and regulations to safeguard us from our own fiscal stupidity!

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I disagree. Only the meatball fans would call them cheap and meatball fans will complain about anything so who cares? Noone calls Sam Presti and the Thunder cheap. Or the Spurs.

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If your league has a salary cap then you are expected by your fans and players to hit or come close to that salary cap numbers or you are cheap and don't care about winning.

If I'm running the Atlanta Hawks and I know that no all-star is ever going to sign here then my choice is to overpay for Joe Johnson and be above average or let him walk and hope I win the lottery so I get a few years of a good player until he ultimately leaves for a better destination.

Many owners/GM's are stupid but really I don't see how they couldn't be.

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Of course not. Those teams win a lot.

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It's not collusion if teams refuse to sign a player that does not deserve a big money deal. Nobody put a gun to Jordan's head and told him to give Tyrus Thomas nearly $40 million. Joe Johnson was handed a max deal that will make him one of the highest paid players in the league when Atlanta could have gone out and signed 2 quality players and probably been much better off. Teams feel they have to make the free agent splash to draw fans, but they don't realize that if they put a quality product on the floor, people will come. If owners want to be more financially successful, they need to hire a GM that knows what he is doing.

Collusion would be happening if all the owners were getting together and refusing to offer Lebron James or another superstar a max contract. Clearly those type of players are worth that kind of money.

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You sure?

Those gambling debt situations can get a little Gun to the heady at times.

U have some owners that also dont think Jerry is good for the league.

Cuban for one, Hiesley second, The Maloofs (Who would do anything to move to Las Vegas!) the last 2 of this group also have 2 of the lowest attendances and dont make the $$$$

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