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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:00 am 
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Consistently not good?? He had an .816 OPS as a rookie. He deserved the chance to see what he can do with a 500+ AB season.


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It's impossible to judge a guy on less than 500 sporadic AB's. You have to give the guy a chance to get in a groove and play everyday. You have to let him know that if he has a couple 0'fers he's still going to be in the lineup and not benched or sent to the minors. They didn't give him a chance to succeed and this would have been the perfect year to do that because they obviously weren't going to be a competetive team.

He played half the year last year consistantly and was consistantly not good.
You're not going to learn anything in the remaining 50 games that you couldn't learn in the 100 or so he played consistantly in 2010.

Come on, the guy did bash 20 HR and drove in 56 in 358 AB's with an OPS of .816 last year. That's decent for a first year player.


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It's impossible to judge a guy on less than 500 sporadic AB's. You have to give the guy a chance to get in a groove and play everyday. You have to let him know that if he has a couple 0'fers he's still going to be in the lineup and not benched or sent to the minors. They didn't give him a chance to succeed and this would have been the perfect year to do that because they obviously weren't going to be a competetive team.

He played half the year last year consistantly and was consistantly not good.
You're not going to learn anything in the remaining 50 games that you couldn't learn in the 100 or so he played consistantly in 2010.

Come on, the guy did bash 20 HR and drove in 56 in 358 AB's with an OPS of .816 last year. That's decent for a first year player.

I guess that the drastic crash and burn when given the position at the beginning of this year did it for me. Almost 40 games of very, very, very bad.
I think he's yet another mediocre nobody that the Cubs fans will elevate to the ranks of HOF ready if he only got more time a la Patterson, Hoffpauir et all.

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Consistently not good?? He had an .816 OPS as a rookie. He deserved the chance to see what he can do with a 500+ AB season.

Yeah, he did that in 390 some AB's... not a bad 60% of a season and he wiffed 100 fuckin times. Once the pitchers caught up to him he was really bad.
The K's scare me. He kept striking out at a 25% of PA rate throught his career. That's too many K's for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:11 am 
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There would be no downside to giving Colvin this year to see.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:22 am 
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There would be no downside to giving Colvin this year to see.

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Can the Cubs just trade Colvin to Baltimore now, and send that bum packing?

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I agree with you fellas... I'm not saying that it'd be bad to play him now... in a season sure to be 95+ losses...
I completely disagreed with the post that said he should have been there from day 1.
Oh, and I think we know more or less what to expect of this guy...
25% K rate.
Maybe 20 HR's in a season... MAYBE, if he can adjust his swing, cause right now it's Holier than the See.

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Can the Cubs just trade Colvin to Baltimore now, and send that bum packing?


That landfill is about closed. Macphail's days are rumored to be numbered.

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A rookie who strikes out a lot. Boy there has been been a guy like that before. I guess a player is what he is after less than 500 AB's and there is absolutely no way he can ever make adjustments to his game. Too bad.


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Done!! See ya Fuk. Actually maybe I will seeing as Cleveland is fairly close to me......and take your fucking translator with you. No reason in your 4th season he needed to be employed by the Cubs.

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Quade has Fuk in the lineup :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sloth!!! My Guy!!!

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A rookie who strikes out a lot. Boy there has been been a guy like that before. I guess a player is what he is after less than 500 AB's and there is absolutely no way he can ever make adjustments to his game. Too bad.

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Take it to the EXTREME!
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He was no rookie this season Keyser. He was bad at hitting in his 3RD season this year.
fact is that the pitchers found his hole, and he couldn't adjust.
And again, he should abolutely NOT have continued to start regularly this year. He had his chance and blew it. BIG time blew it. In AAA, he's where he should be.
In a disaster like the final 50 games of a tossaway season, sure toss him out there. Im sure they will, and I bet he will be bad.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:39 am 
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Darkside wrote:
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A rookie who strikes out a lot. Boy there has been been a guy like that before. I guess a player is what he is after less than 500 AB's and there is absolutely no way he can ever make adjustments to his game. Too bad.

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He was no rookie this season Keyser. He was bad at hitting in his 3RD season this year.
fact is that the pitchers found his hole, and he couldn't adjust.
And again, he should abolutely NOT have continued to start regularly this year. He had his chance and blew it. BIG time blew it. In AAA, he's where he should be.
In a disaster like the final 50 games of a tossaway season, sure toss him out there. Im sure they will, and I bet he will be bad.


He never did start regularly this year. Fuk was in the opening day lineup and played 80% of the time.


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A rookie who strikes out a lot. Boy there has been been a guy like that before. I guess a player is what he is after less than 500 AB's and there is absolutely no way he can ever make adjustments to his game. Too bad.

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He was no rookie this season Keyser. He was bad at hitting in his 3RD season this year.
fact is that the pitchers found his hole, and he couldn't adjust.
And again, he should abolutely NOT have continued to start regularly this year. He had his chance and blew it. BIG time blew it. In AAA, he's where he should be.
In a disaster like the final 50 games of a tossaway season, sure toss him out there. Im sure they will, and I bet he will be bad.


He never did start regularly this year. Fuk was in the opening day lineup and played 80% of the time.


Stats show 38 games, 100AB's... so that comes out to just under 3 AB's a game...
That's more than a sip of coffee, but I acknowlede that he didn't start every day.
Like I said... Ahem... he has had plenty of chances.
EITHER WAY, as to my original point... he shouldn't have been a regular starter this year.

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I don't think platooning helped him any. He had a decent year last year and as expected other teams and pitchers made adjustments to him. He then needed to take the next step in his development and adjust to these adjustments. He struggled to do so and being taken out of the lineup every other day probably compounded that. Had he just been left alone out there without any worry of Fuk looking over his shoulder he may have relaxed some and made the adjustments.

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If Fuk is gone then Colvin will surely finish out the season.
I have no doubt that he will have a negative WAR and be otherwise useless at the plate and servicable in right.
He's just a guy. Nothing more than that. Just a guy. In fact this might be the guy that WAR is based on.

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He was a rookie when he accrued all those nasty strikeouts.

My point is this team was never going to contend this season and there was absolutely no reason to play god awful Fukudome in right field when you have the chance to give everyday at bats to a young player. What's the worse case scenario? They have the worst record in baseball instead of the 2nd worst? They go 30 games under .500 instead of 25? It was another opportunity lost in a woefully awful season.


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He was a rookie when he accrued all those nasty strikeouts.

And my rebuttal was that the same percentages followed next year. Same ratio.

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My point is this team was never going to contend this season and there was absolutely no reason to play god awful Fukudome in right field when you have the chance to give everyday at bats to a young player. What's the worse case scenario? They have the worst record in baseball instead of the 2nd worst? They go 30 games under .500 instead of 25? It was another opportunity lost in a woefully awful season.

Well, a couple things... first is that you might as well get Fuk's April thru early June. He's pretty damn good then historically. Back then, Cubs were indeed trying to win games. This season didn't really go throwaway until late May (unbelieveable that early eh?), and by they Colvin was wiffin his way thru his first 100 PA's and looked like he was having trouble. Back then, a reasonable fan might say, send him down and get his work in.
But I agree. Give him the remaining 58 games. We'll revisit this in October and see what he did. I would wager it won't be very impressive.

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Quade has Fuk in the lineup :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sloth!!! My Guy!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh Baron von Quaaaaaaade you tool.

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Quade has Fuk in the lineup :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sloth!!! My Guy!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh Baron von Quaaaaaaade you tool.


It is like he is trying to get fired.

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Quade has Fuk in the lineup :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sloth!!! My Guy!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh Baron von Quaaaaaaade you tool.


It is like he is trying to get fired.

Yeah, the sick mom thing has been done. He needs a newer approach.

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Cubs get a 25 year old pitcher who has a 4.5+ era in AAA this year and a 21 year old OF repeating A ball who is hitting .244 with a .723 ops

Abner Abreu and Carlton Smith.

Oh, and Cubs are paying over 12 million of Kosuke's 13 remaining this year.




Awesome job Jim.

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Cubs get a 25 year old pitcher who has a 4.5+ era in AAA this year and a 21 year old OF repeating A ball who is hitting .244 with a .723 opa

Abner Abreu and Carlton Smith.

Oh, and Cubs are paying over 12 million of Kosuke's 13 remaining this year.




Awesome job Jim.

Eh whatever. Was anybody really going to give a kings ransom for Fuk?

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Abreu could develop. He is only 21 and has shown power and speed.

Smith is just a reliever at this point but has decent strikeout numbers.

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Cubs get a 25 year old pitcher who has a 4.5+ era in AAA this year and a 21 year old OF repeating A ball who is hitting .244 with a .723 ops

Abner Abreu and Carlton Smith.

Oh, and Cubs are paying over 12 million of Kosuke's 13 remaining this year.




Awesome job Jim.



He was going to pay him $13M this year anyways. Now we are paying $13M for him and two prospects and he is no longer blocking any cubs "prospect".


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He was going to pay him $13M this year anyways. Now we are paying $13M for him and two prospects and he is no longer blocking any cubs "prospect".

Blake DeWitt and Tony Campana need more playing time!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reed should be inserted into the leadoff spot in place of Fuk whom Sloth for some reason started. I think he will find a way to fuck the entire lineup to avoid the easy swap of Reed for Fuk though.

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Reed should be inserted into the leadoff spot in place of Fuk whom Sloth for some reason started. I think he will find a way to fuck the entire lineup to avoid the easy swap of Reed for Fuk though.

I think the Baron is looking for a way to get Soto into the leadoff spot

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There is a Giovanni Soto in the Indians system. Should have traded for him.


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