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I sort of agree with DT. The WR spot on the bears is so bad that of course he'll help. But he won't be anything close to great or a game changer. In no way does he come close to solving the Bears WR problems going forward


This is my issue. Yes, he is better than what they had but he is still just OK. There were a lot of these types of guys out there this year. I think that Rice, Edwards and Sims-Walker all fall into the same category. Williams just happens to strike me as the most annoying of the group.

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Mike Sims-Walker is the annual "I've never actually watched this player or know anything about him but I don't hate him yet and now I want him a lot" free agent. See also: AJ Otagwe last year.

What? I've watched Sims Walker, as I'm sure most have.

Yes, most Bears fans make a point of switching to the Jacksonville game during commercial breaks.

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Irish Boy wrote:
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I sort of agree with DT. The WR spot on the bears is so bad that of course he'll help. But he won't be anything close to great or a game changer. In no way does he come close to solving the Bears WR problems going forward

OK, but who does? The number of free agents that will solve your problems at the X position is incredibly small every season. There's exactly one of them this year, and he plays cornerback.


Pretty sure we would agree the draft is almost always the better way to go. I'm not saying the Bears coulda done much better this year, that's why I agreed with DT. But this is little more than running in place for the Bears, that's why I understand other fans not being even mildly excited about it

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Mike Sims-Walker is the annual "I've never actually watched this player or know anything about him but I don't hate him yet and now I want him a lot" free agent. See also: AJ Otagwe last year.

What? I've watched Sims Walker, as I'm sure most have.

Yes, most Bears fans make a point of switching to the Jacksonville game during commercial breaks.


Most guys I know are NFL fans moreso than fans of just their team

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Sims-Walker is a better player, though.


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Mike Sims-Walker is the annual "I've never actually watched this player or know anything about him but I don't hate him yet and now I want him a lot" free agent. See also: AJ Otagwe last year.

What? I've watched Sims Walker, as I'm sure most have.

Yes, most Bears fans make a point of switching to the Jacksonville game during commercial breaks.


Fantasy Football and gambling are the reasons people watch other games. I dont care about a NE v JAX game but if I am going against someone with MJD and I have Brady playing than you better believe I am flipping over to that game.

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Sims-Walker is a gamble as well. Almost every free agent is, since the team is letting them go. In Sims-Walker's case, Jacksonville is letting their most productive receiver go even though they've needed help at that position every year for about as long as I can remember. He has been productive, but not outstanding, he's rumored to kind of be a jackass, has had injury problems, and has a pretty low catch rate for the passes thrown his way. He's a good player, but there are always gambles.

My point is, however, that Bears fans know the problems with Williams because they've heard of him and seen him. They know Edwards. They know Sidney Rice. They don't know Walker, so they project whatever good things they want to onto him. That's like going through the whole "Why sign Julius Peppers, he takes plays off...I want AJ Otagwe!" all over again. Except that Roy Williams isn't that good, of course.

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That's like going through the whole "Why sign Julius Peppers, he takes plays off...I want AJ Otagwe!" all over again.

People actually said this?

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That's like going through the whole "Why sign Julius Peppers, he takes plays off...I want AJ Otagwe!" all over again.

People actually said this?

Yes, and how.

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That's like going through the whole "Why sign Julius Peppers, he takes plays off...I want AJ Otagwe!" all over again.

People actually said this?

Yes, and how.


This seems like a projection of one overheard drunken bar conversation onto an entire fan base. I never heard anyone say Otagwe over Peppers. I did hear complaints about Peppers taking plays off but all great DE do that.

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This seems like a projection of one overheard drunken bar conversation onto an entire fan base. I never heard anyone say Otagwe over Peppers.

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At the very minimum, those two. There was a very vocal Otagwe contingent on this board last year. I'm ten minutes away from leaving for a wake :cry: so I can't do the thing where I piss off scorehead by quoting him. When I get time later I'll go through the old posts.

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Sims-Walker is a gamble as well. Almost every free agent is, since the team is letting them go.

Are you serious?

Well I would love to take a gamble on Nnamdi Asomugha, I hope he is good.

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Unless I'm misremembering I think it's safe to say as a whole Bears fans were ecstatic when Peppers signed. I wasn't on this board a whole lot last summer but I know my friends back home were.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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Sims-Walker is a gamble as well. Almost every free agent is, since the team is letting them go.

Are you serious?

Well I would love to take a gamble on Nnamdi Asomugha, I hope he is good.

I already said that Asomugha was the one team-changing player in this group. He is also a 30 year old CB who is going to require a lot of money. Allocating 6% of your cap space to a player in the secondary on the downside of his career is a gamble, yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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Sims-Walker is a gamble as well. Almost every free agent is, since the team is letting them go.

Are you serious?

Well I would love to take a gamble on Nnamdi Asomugha, I hope he is good.

I already said that Asomugha was the one team-changing player in this group. He is also a 30 year old CB who is going to require a lot of money. Allocating 6% of your cap space to a player in the secondary on the downside of his career is a gamble, yes.


Well I'll take that so called "gamble".

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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Unless I'm misremembering I think it's safe to say as a whole Bears fans were ecstatic when Peppers signed. I wasn't on this board a whole lot last summer but I know my friends back home were.


IB is right about the Peppers signing. A lot of folks around here bitched about it, it wasn't until about mid season that most came around to saying it was a good signing.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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The Bears are going to sign Roy Williams and Sam Hurd. Do they still want Sims-Walker?

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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I am going to need a new TV before the season is out because I can guarantee that I will throw the remote thru the screen after Williams pops up and does the first down signal while down 38-10 in the 4th qtr to the Packers.

This move is a bullshit Martz signing again. Why they are letting a guy with one foot out the door make personnel decisions is beyond me...

All that being said, he is now the best WR on the team. How fucking sad is that?


Hester does the same thing. The difference is he hardly makes any first downs.


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Hester does the same thing. The difference is he hardly makes any first downs.

That's right, only TOUCH DOWNS my friend.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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Sims-Walker is a gamble as well. Almost every free agent is, since the team is letting them go.

Are you serious?

Well I would love to take a gamble on Nnamdi Asomugha, I hope he is good.

I already said that Asomugha was the one team-changing player in this group. He is also a 30 year old CB who is going to require a lot of money. Allocating 6% of your cap space to a player in the secondary on the downside of his career is a gamble, yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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Roy Williams had 37 rec last year for 5tds and 530 yards in 15 games for a Dallas team that passed ALOT.

Oh and I did watch and pay attention to Mike Sims Walker for the last 2 years(he was on my fantasy football team 2 years ago) and I would say by far and away he is a better player than Roy Williams with alot worse qb in Garrard.

And if you think Braylon Edwards isnt better then Williams then Im sorry for your lack of football knowledge.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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You lost me on the Braylon Edwards thing. He is brutal.

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Hester does the same thing. The difference is he hardly makes any first downs.

That's right, only TOUCH DOWNS my friend.

DA BEARS!


What we need is more of dem Hester types. DA BEARS should have signed dat Smith guy from the Jets. Line him up with Hester on punt and kickoffs, they could laterial it all da way to the ENDZONE my friend. S UP ER BOWL 2012 DA BEARS!


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Williams
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I like the pickup. He is already the best WR on the bears and a big target for Cutler and he knows Martz's system. The only thing is that he is a dog but what tall talented reciever doesn't have some kind of personality issues. Wide Outs are the biggest prima donna's in sports. And all of this hand wringing for Mike Sims Walker......Child Please.

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I'll happily be the first in the "pleased with the signing" section.

Finally they are giving Martz the opportunity to prove what he can do by actually giving him what he needs, and all people can do is bitch about a WR that's known for making a big to-do after making a first-down. Christ forbid a Bears receiver is known for first-downs.




Ok Ill bitch about the guy not being good AND being the WORST of all the other guys that are avab. Mike Sims Walker and Plexico are still out there along with Braylon Edwards. Why do we have to settle for the worst of all the guys left? Hey we upgraded our punter.


So, you want the guy that's been out of the league for a couple years because he shot himself in the leg over a guy walking in to a system he was very successful in and is completely familiar with, thus negating any concerns about a learning curve?

Really? Really?!?



Really...Really. Maybe I would rather have Plexico over Williams because he is such a dbag on the field/off the field also. Also keep Williams and his learning curve. He is a guy that SHOULD have flurished with a team like Dallas but all he did was suck monkey balls and talk alot of trash. He has 60 catches with a pass happy team with Dallas. How the hell do you think he is going to do here?


If you really don't think Sims Walker is better then Williams please remove yourself from this thread. Please

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Really...Really. Maybe I would rather have Plexico over Williams because he is such a dbag on the field/off the field also. Also keep Williams and his learning curve. He is a guy that SHOULD have flurished with a team like Dallas but all he did was suck monkey balls and talk alot of trash. He has 60 catches with a pass happy team with Dallas. How the hell do you think he is going to do here?


If you really don't think Sims Walker is better then Williams please remove yourself from this thread. Please

Wait so Plexico isn't a douchebag and Sims-Walker is the next Jerry Rice? Are you serious?

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Really...Really. Maybe I would rather have Plexico over Williams because he is such a dbag on the field/off the field also. Also keep Williams and his learning curve. He is a guy that SHOULD have flurished with a team like Dallas but all he did was suck monkey balls and talk alot of trash. He has 60 catches with a pass happy team with Dallas. How the hell do you think he is going to do here?


If you really don't think Sims Walker is better then Williams please remove yourself from this thread. Please

Wait so Plexico isn't a douchebag and Sims-Walker is the next Jerry Rice? Are you serious?




That's a bit of a stretch on what I said but you can go with that if you want. I did say that Sims Walker is better then Roy Williams though.

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Bears are also bringing in another ex cowboy....Sam Hurd. Jeez. Good special teams player and 3rd down reciever (sometimes)

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Sims-Walker is an ok player but I think him and Roy Williams are pretty similar really. Either would instantly become the best player on the Bears. Once we get the details on how much was spent on them respectively it will be easier to tell if the Bears made the right choice. Either way unless the OL is better Cutler isn't going to be able to hit any of his wide outs while wearing someons ass as a hat.

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Sims-Walker is an ok player but I think him and Roy Williams are pretty similar really. Either would instantly become the best player on the Bears. Once we get the details on how much was spent on them respectively it will be easier to tell if the Bears made the right choice. Either way unless the OL is better Cutler isn't going to be able to hit any of his wide outs while wearing someons ass as a hat.


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