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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:04 pm 
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The media harps on how he has the personality of a turnip.

How he is so called unfriendly to them. No he doesn't kiss their butts. He is not friendly. He just isn't media savvy.

Am I the only one who only cares about what he does on Sundays? I'd rather have a good QB who never says a word period than a bad one that's on the radio/tv all the time and is glib at the mic.

The media says it hurts the fans. No it doesn't.

He apparently is also a decent clubhouse guy. And I've seen him be nice to fans.


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I don't care as long as he throws touchdowns and wins.

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As long as he gets along with his team mates I could care less.

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Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. It's easier to root for a team when the face of the franchise is likeable. That's why Derrick Rose is so popular. He's really good but he's also likeable. It wasn't fun when Urlacher became/showed that he wasn't a likeable personality.

Now, winning is clearly #1, but this isn't a multiple choice exam. It's not a bad thing to hope for production + likeability. It's hard to get fully behind Cutler because of his personality and that's why people have to say "As long as he wins I don't care". Well, then you do care because you are basically saying that if he's average you won't like him. You are just making the decision to selectively choose results over your thoughts on him.

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It wouldn't matter if it didnt effect his production, but it does. I think Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's not significantly more physically talented than Cutler is. But Cutler's self centered, lazy, arrogant attitude effects the way he gets along with teammates and how he prepares for games. The whole "Good Jay, Bad Jay" thing is born of bad practice habits and a lazy approach to the game. Considering that, I don't see why Bears fans wouldn't care.

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It wouldn't matter if it didnt effect his production, but it does. I think Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's not significantly more physically talented than Cutler is. But Cutler's self centered, lazy, arrogant attitude effects the way he gets along with teammates and how he prepares for games. The whole "Good Jay, Bad Jay" thing is born of bad practice habits and a lazy approach to the game. Considering that, I don't see why Bears fans wouldn't care.

Where are you getting this from?
IMU rule.

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It wouldn't matter if it didnt effect his production, but it does. I think Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL, but he's not significantly more physically talented than Cutler is. But Cutler's self centered, lazy, arrogant attitude effects the way he gets along with teammates and how he prepares for games. The whole "Good Jay, Bad Jay" thing is born of bad practice habits and a lazy approach to the game. Considering that, I don't see why Bears fans wouldn't care.

Where are you getting this from?
IMU rule.


It's my own opinion, but I feel it's pretty obvious. What's the imu rule? Since he's been in the league it's been pretty well documented and talked about how he feels his talent alone will trump others, etc. Remember how his arm is stronger than Elway's?? In my experiences, people that talk like that don't work to improve constantly. That has clearly been the case with Jay and his (lack of) career progression.

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FF, I dont think you can make that assumption about why he hasnt progressed where you feel his talent should be.

Has a teammate ever called Jay out for not being prepared? NFL players are dicks....someone would have said something by now right?


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It's my own opinion, but I feel it's pretty obvious. What's the imu rule? Since he's been in the league it's been pretty well documented and talked about how he feels his talent alone will trump others, etc. Remember how his arm is stronger than Elway's?? In my experiences, people that talk like that don't work to improve constantly. That has clearly been the case with Jay and his (lack of) career progression.

You took your opinion and made it a fact in your post, then wondered how Bears fans can stand the guy based on your opinion. It was weird.
I think so far most of his teammates have had his back and liked him and I've never seen anything that would cause me to question his work ethic or his team skills.

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:lol: ok guys. You can come up with your own reasons why he has underachieved. But the production doesnt match the talent. As a GB fan I'm happy to see that. Surprised my Bear fan friends are on the same page

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Well considering 3 of his teammates were going to be in his wedding including 2 defensive guys he probably gets along with them.


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He could shit on a picture of Ditka or Payton and I wouldn't care if he brought the team a Super Bowl. It's all about winning. If he loses and he's a dickhead, nobody is going to like that.

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Well considering 3 of his teammates were going to be in his wedding including 2 defensive guys he probably gets along with them.

That was all show.

Where do you get your info?

Where did you play your college ball?

Huh?

Christ, people (Tiger Woods) have kids in an attempt to show that they're not bad people. Same thing here, Cutler said he'd have the likes of Urlacher in his wedding to try and show that he's not a complete assbag, even though he is.

As long as he wins, I don't really give a shit if he is the biggest asshole in the world.

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:lol: ok guys. You can come up with your own reasons why he has underachieved. But the production doesnt match the talent. As a GB fan I'm happy to see that. Surprised my Bear fan friends are on the same page

Shitty offensive line + Bad Receivers > Smug attitude
I think the reason is that he was getting killed instead of throwing passes.
He spent more time running for his life than he did making plays as planned.

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:lol: ok guys. You can come up with your own reasons why he has underachieved. But the production doesnt match the talent. As a GB fan I'm happy to see that. Surprised my Bear fan friends are on the same page

Shitty offensive line + Bad Receivers > Smug attitude
I think the reason is that he was getting killed instead of throwing passes.
He spent more time running for his life than he did making plays as planned.

I don't buy that. He was shipped here from Denver because of problems I listed. Aaron Rodgers has had one of the worst o lines in football the past two seasons. Jay is about making excuses for his poor play

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Jay is about making excuses for his poor play


When has he went about making excuses for his poor play? Can you show me some of these?

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I don't buy that. He was shipped here from Denver because of problems I listed. Aaron Rodgers has had one of the worst o lines in football the past two seasons. Jay is about making excuses for his poor play

My god. Who are you? Did you even watch any Bears games last year?
I can't tell you how many times someone had to tell their #1 receiver where to line up. and who exactly was their #2? Did you see the guy getting drilled into the turf constantly?
Dude, the problems with Cutler was what he was working with not his smugness.

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I don't buy that. He was shipped here from Denver because of problems I listed. Aaron Rodgers has had one of the worst o lines in football the past two seasons. Jay is about making excuses for his poor play

My god. Who are you? Did you even watch any Bears games last year?
I can't tell you how many times someone had to tell their #1 receiver where to line up. and who exactly was their #2? Did you see the guy getting drilled into the turf constantly?
Dude, the problems with Cutler was what he was working with not his smugness.

I probably didn't see as many as you did. I saw enough to know quite well that Jay gets fed up with the problems you mentioned and starting flinging balls into coverage and starts losing composure. I've seen it so many times with him the past few years(going back to when he was a Bronco) that it's laughable that all of you now act like he has been some sort of composed, talented leader trying to hold a band of misfits together. As long as you have an immature leader, expect the inconsistent results you've been given

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Jay is about making excuses for his poor play


When has he went about making excuses for his poor play? Can you show me some of these?


Look it up yourself or have Rick do it. I really don't need to show you evidence of Jay's immaturity and arrogance

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I saw 18 games last year.
The problem was his targets, his protection, the game plan, the quality of the water on the sideline, the amount of O2 in the air, the hangnail he might have had and his smugness. In that order.
Give him someone to throw to. Someone that can give him time to let the play develop. Then you will see a dramatic improvement even if his attitude remains smug.

No one really cares if he is a Mr. Pouty Pants.

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[quote="Boilermaker Rick"]Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is lying. quote]

Really? I didn't know you knew me that well. I will take an a-hole that is the league MVP and Super Bowl MVP over a likeable loser.

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Jay is about making excuses for his poor play


When has he went about making excuses for his poor play? Can you show me some of these?


Look it up yourself or have Rick do it. I really don't need to show you evidence of Jay's immaturity and arrogance


You changed your thought here. Of course you do not need to show evidence of his immaturity and arrogance. You said he was about making excuses for his poor play. I have yet to see or hear him do this. He has been completely quiet about stuff. So where has he went about making these excuses?

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I don't put much stock into Jay Cutler attitude stuff because lots of great players, and even great QBs, have awful attitudes. But I am rather tired of the stone soup defenses. I know that Jay Cutler will be a much better player when he has top targets, a great offensive line, better running game, etc. So will Kyle Orton or any other competent QB.

A great QB masks those deficiencies. Cutler has been good, but not great, and while that's light years better than most QB play in Chicago history, it's still not all that impressive, or worth what they gave up. He still needs to improve his play, regardless of what is around him.

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Here's an article that touches on both IB and FF's points.


IB is right. When everything is great, Rex Grossman gets MVP consideration


Excuse patrol won't cut Jay Cutler much slack in 2011
By Mariotti imitator (Greg Couch)



Time does not heal all wounds. For the Chicago Bears and Jay Cutler, it’s going to take a Super Bowl. The Bears reported to camp Friday, their first time back to work since the NFC championship game against rival Green Bay, when Cutler sat down and gave up.

Or maybe he got hurt and had to quit.
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You can believe it any way you want. The truth isn’t going to matter anyway.

After the fact, after NFL players tweeted like crazy about what a quitter Cutler is, and after Bears fans had disowned him as a coward, the Bears said that Cutler had a minor tear in the MCL in his knee, theoretically late in the first half. He was told he shouldn’t play but went out for one series in the second half, and then, with too much pain, gave in, dejected.

That might be true, might not. It is easy for the Bears to concoct a story like that afterward to protect their investment. The thing is, Cutler looked dejected throughout the first half, too, when he wasn’t hurt but was awful.

Everyone saw him sitting there in the second half, but it’s unclear when, exactly, he gave up.

Bears fans likely believe there is a little truth to both sides of the story, that Cutler quit and that he was hurt. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. One game from the Super Bowl, against the most-hated opponent, and you’d think that was a moment you’d give up your right arm for. Or your knee, even with a minor ligament tear.

This is not going to be an easy page to turn for the Bears.

Cutler might well have been hurt, but he’s also highly immature. And now that the Bears are getting receiver Roy Williams from Dallas, Cutler is going to be short on excuses if things don’t go right again.

In tough-guy Bears mentality, a grand Chicago image, someone would have to fight you to the ground to keep you out of a major game. To be a Bear is to be unquestionably tough, to play in the bitter cold, in the wind off Lake Michigan, to hit the other guy in the mouth. If you lose, you at least take a piece of the opponent with you.

Being a Bears fan also means you question your own quarterback. The team has had one crummy one after another. Cutler came in as the savior, though he left Denver in a feud with owners and coaches. He hadn’t won one playoff game before last year and didn’t even lead Vanderbilt to any heights.

He was terrible in Chicago his first year, and then a little better his second. But there was suspicion, still, about how he would do in The Moment.

The players say the right things now, and the tweeters have backed off, either because they learned the facts or because they knew it was bad form to rip him. Cutler’s teammates have always taken his side publicly, and maybe they do privately, too.

But they play hurt. And you wonder if he has to earn their respect back again.

Cutler’s news this offseason was about his romance, then engagement, then breakup, with Kristin Cavallari, from the MTV reality series The Hills.

Now, Cavallari went on Twitter to refute gossip that even she questioned whether Cutler was really hurt against Green Bay.

“I never said ANYTHING about Jay’s knee injury," she tweeted. “I’ve always backed him 100%. Stop trying to start (stuff). I know he was seriously hurt."

Cutler has never had a decent offensive line with the Bears. He hasn’t had receivers, either. In his rookie year, they kept him in the pocket, even though his best work comes when he’s rolling out. Then, he was introduced to the Mike Martz offense, which was supposed to suit him.

It did, sort of.

The line is still going to be shaky, and the Bears traded Cutler’s good friend and defender, starting tight end Greg Olsen.

Cutler is not much of a talker, and comes off as aloof. He isn’t a winner. And when the team needed him to look the part of a leader, he sat down because his knee hurt.

But the Bears have no choice but to believe in Cutler. He has spent a career living on amazing talent and potential. But now he’s 28, and the doubts outweigh everything else. It’s his own fault, because of his attitude and lack of leadership, that people didn’t believe him.

He has to earn back the trust, and with a little foresight, he could have been calling all his teammates in the offseason. Maybe he did.

But he’ll have to prove it in battle. Last chance for Jay Cutler and the Bears. No excuses



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Really? I didn't know you knew me that well. I will take an a-hole that is the league MVP and Super Bowl MVP over a likeable loser.
Once again though. It still matters. It just doesn't matter as much as winning a title would.

It's kind of like saying I don't care if I hate my job as long as they pay me a million dollars a year. It doesn't change the fact that I wish my job didn't suck. It just means that I'm willing to temporarily ignore it because of another benefit. If the job were to start paying me a city librarians salary it would definitely start to matter which means it always did.

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Jay is about making excuses for his poor play


When has he went about making excuses for his poor play? Can you show me some of these?
http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=847900#p847900

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Jay is about making excuses for his poor play


When has he went about making excuses for his poor play? Can you show me some of these?
http://www.score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=847900#p847900


Great, he is an arrogant douchebag. But again, I still do not see or hear him making excuses for his poor play.

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